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9N SPITS AND SPUTTERS

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BIGMOE

05-15-2005 00:06:15




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I HAVE 41 9N. I HAVE HAD IT FOR ABOUT 8MO. MY FIRST ONE. IT HAS BEEN RUNNING FINE UP UNTIL A WEEK AGO. I WENT TO THE BARN TO USE IT AND IT WAS VERY HARD TO CRANK AND WHEN I DID FINALLY GET IT CRANKED THE THROTTLE LEVER WAS WIDE OPEN BEFORE IT WOULD CRANK. IT WOULD SPIT AND SPUTTER UNTIL IT CAUGHT UP AND WHEN I PUT IT IN GEAR IT WOULD BARELY PULL ITS OWN WEIGHT. I HAVE CLEANED THE SEDIMENT BOWL , FUEL LINE AND CARBURATOR, STILL NOT BETTER, ANY SUGGESTIONS.

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Dell (WA)

05-15-2005 06:14:55




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 Re: 9N SPITS AND SPUTTERS in reply to BIGMOE, 05-15-2005 00:06:15  
BIGMOE..... ...8 yrs ago, one of the founding members of this great N-Board used to claim 80% of all carburator problems were found and fixxed in the ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.

Your self-description has all the characteristics of WEAK SPARKIES.

Me? I'd check yer 9N's squarecan frontmount ignition for correct points gap 0.015". The old original SHORT #8-32x3/16 points holddown screw is notorious for having INVISABLE thread wear and inability to keep the points gap from slipping closed causing weak sparkies.

You do realize that ittza 2-bolt 15-min finagle to remove yer frontmount distributor so you can adjust the points on yer kitchen table, don't you? Just un-clippy yer 4-nipple cap and letter dangle and remove yer 1/2" hexhead bolts. Replacement is a reversal of the removal ...except... gently finger start yer 2-bolts and then turn yer rotor so the off-set tang drive drops into the camshaft slot which is why you don't haffta worry about ignition timing; now tighen yer 2-bolts and re-clippie yer crabcap and yer done. Simple, eh?..... ...respectfully, Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Rob

05-15-2005 03:55:22




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 Re: 9N SPITS AND SPUTTERS in reply to BIGMOE, 05-15-2005 00:06:15  
I think Ron has it right, you have an electrical problem. You want to correct this problem and get trouble-free starting and operation then you should do some things. First, don"t go buy a bunch of parts to fix the tractor. Figure out what"s wrong, fix it, and then if you want to replace parts go right ahead. Troubleshooting and inspection will tell you if you need to replace parts.
I take it when you say "crank" you mean "start" and "fire" and "run." "Crank" is what the hand crank or starter does to the engine. Normally you "crank" the engine, it "fires", and then "runs." Back to your problem which I believe is that it is hard starting because it won"t fire and then runs rough with no power.
Pull a plug wire and bend it. Plug wires that show surface cracks when bent should be replaced. Remove the spark plug, connect the wire back to it, turn on the key, ground the plug to the head, and crank the engine through several revolutions for about 10-seconds or more. You need to see a regular, snappy, blue spark and a wimpy, yellow spark is not enough. If the plug electrodes are damaged you will need to check the others and replace them as needed. A wimpy, yellow spark tells you you"re on the right track and an irregular spark says distributor mechanical problems. A regular yellow spark says electrical problems so then you want to start at the top of the coil all work all the way back to the solenoid and remove and clean all small wire terminals, replace or repair any damaged or corroded wires, and inspect all electrical parts. Clean, bright, and tight is the necessary goal. Ignition switch, resister, regulator...whatever. Clean, bright, and tight. Might as well clean both ends of both battery cables while you"re at it. And the other cable too. And the genny wires just so you got it done because dirty, corroded, and damaged wires, terminals, and cables give a 6v system owner fits.
If the wiring is rough you might want to replace it all with a $15 wiring harness from your local farm/ranch store rather than fret over and rework a bunch of terminals and crappy wires.
Get that wiring in order and see if you got that regular, snappy blue spark and she fires up and runs good. Before you run to town pull the distributor cap and watch the points open and close while you bump the starter. You need 0.015" gap on clean points. If the points look good then drag a dollar bill between the closed points to clean them up. If the points are burnt, corroded or missing then put them on your shopping list along with a condenser. Inspect the rotor for damage at the hub and tip. If it"s cracked up and the tip is missing or burnt up you need new. Replace the cap if it has carbon tracks, cracks, or other damage. If it has "other damage" then figure out why or post the info to this board. Sometimes the 9N/2N has axle/king pin problems that bust up a cap. If there"s moisture in there you need a gasket or to reseat the bail over the coil so remove the bail and coil and reseat the bail fully into the distributor body. Put the coil and gasket back on and slip the bail up the front and back over the top and do not pull out one end of the bail to remove the coil. Don"t do it that way.
Look for a leaky radiator there in the lower corner near the hose bib. Bad king pin can cause radiator damage the wets the distributor that leads to your type problem.

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BIGMOE(AR)

05-15-2005 17:31:51




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 Re: 9N SPITS AND SPUTTERS in reply to Rob, 05-15-2005 03:55:22  
ROB, THANKS FOR THE INFO, I'LL CHECK ALL THE ELECTRICAL. ALSO THANKS FOR THE TERMINOLOGY LESSON I WAS BORN LONG TIME AFTER HAND CRANKS.



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Hobo,NC

05-15-2005 05:53:42




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 Re: 9N SPITS AND SPUTTERS in reply to Rob, 05-15-2005 03:55:22  
thats GOOD I have saved it. Most of the time by the time they haul tractor to the shop they have replaced all the ignition parts and I find a mechanical problem with the distributor its overlooked cuz people don't understand how the advanve gismoe works. Some I fix but find it best to intall a new dist shaft assy. don't read over (an irregular spark says distributor mechanical problems) very important

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Ron/PA

05-15-2005 00:42:44




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 Re: 9N SPITS AND SPUTTERS in reply to BIGMOE, 05-15-2005 00:06:15  
If this were mine, I'd check the points and plugs. I'd also take a look at my plug wires. Are they good solid wire copper or stainless? If they aren't I'd change that right away. Anytime I find a problem with running under load, I usually find it to be spark related. Ron



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BIGMOE

05-15-2005 01:46:25




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 Re: 9N SPITS AND SPUTTERS in reply to Ron/PA, 05-15-2005 00:42:44  
THANKS FOR THE INFO. I WILL LOOK AT THAT.



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