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2N adjustments ??

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Tom in MS

08-25-2005 19:01:32




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Now after the last mechanic redid the valves and replaced the valve springs with the longer springs I can adjust the carb where it runs right..smooth as a sewing machine BUT when it is adjusted to run smooth it will not take the gas. I have to turn the carb main needle adjustment out about 3/4 to 1 turn more to get it to take the gas...Once it is adjusted to take the gas then it is running bad again..huffy/puffy through the exhaust...Wonder if I can adjust the timing one way or the other to help this?? Prior to the last trip to the shop you could not adjust the carb. any way and make it run right.....I did notice now that the main needle on the carb can only be open about 1/2 turn for smooth running..Suggestions?????

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Rob

08-25-2005 20:50:45




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 Re: 2N adjustments ?? in reply to Tom in MS, 08-25-2005 19:01:32  
There are three carb adjustments, not just the two. You adjust the idle and throttle together and then the main. "Smooth" is not how you adjust any of it.
How, exactly, do you adjust the carb?



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Tom in MS

08-25-2005 21:03:23




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 Re: 2N adjustments ?? in reply to Rob, 08-25-2005 20:50:45  
Normally start with the main needle and the idle adj(on the outside)2 turns out..Crank and let it warm up. I turn the main needle in till it stumbles then back out till it is smooth. I adjust the idle screw at low speed till it runs the best/smoothest then adjsut the screw on the back of the carb for lowest speed...This afternoon is the first time I have had time to play with it a little..I even put my Zenith carb back on it and have the same results..Zenith is adjsuted as follows: T-shaped screw on bottom out 2 1/2 turns and idle screw out 3/4 turn..warm it up then at 3/4 throttle turn in the T-shaped screw till it stumbles then back it out till it smooths out. Then adjsut idle screw till smooth slow idle(This is per salesman/owner at Farmer's service where I bought it...

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Rob

08-26-2005 02:36:06




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 Re: 2N adjustments ?? in reply to Tom in MS, 08-25-2005 21:03:23  
Your carb adjust is wacked.

Paul has good instructions but he comes at the settings different then some. He starts out rich and leans it. I start out lean (one-turn) and enrich it; end up the same place. But you can not set the main until the idle and throttle are set.

You get it adjusted right the engine smooth will take care of itself. Adjust the idle and throttle by rpm according to the instructions. Adjust the main according to throttle response and smoke.

Adjust max rpm at the governor by ear. You adjust it so the engine is very fast but not screaming. You adjust it to scream and then back off till it does not scream and even burbles some. "Smooth" will take care of itself.

Make all adjustments at operating temperature.

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Paul K in IL

08-25-2005 21:35:12




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 Re: 2N adjustments ?? in reply to Tom in MS, 08-25-2005 21:03:23  
Tom,

Adjusting the main that way will result in the engine stumbling when you open the throttle. The main should be set to the initial 2 turns and left there while you adjust the idle mixture. To do that you turn the idle speed down as low as you can get it to keep running and then adjust the idle mixture to get the highest RPMs, not the smoothest run. When you get the highest RPM out of it then crank the idle speed down again. Go back and forth until you get it as low as you can. Should be able to get about 400 RPM. Remember the idle jet is backwards. In makes it richer and out leans it out.

Now you can check the main jet by quickly opening the throttle. If it stumbles turn it out a quarter turn and try it again. If it does not stumble when you quickly open the throttle try leaning it out some by turning it in a quarter turn. If you get black smoke you are way rich and can turn it in a half turn. You want it to accelerate smoothly but not blow black smoke which is unburned(wasted)fuel.

From reading many of your posts I think you are a little too hung up on the idea of smooth. These things are not Rolls Royces. Their design is a compromise and they will pop once in a while while they idle but they were not made to idle they were made to run all day at 1500 RPM pulling a plow very economically.

Just MHO.

Paul K.

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Tom in MS

08-26-2005 03:41:12




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 Re: 2N adjustments ?? in reply to Paul K in IL, 08-25-2005 21:35:12  
I am 50 something years old and grew up on a 2N, bushhogged with oit all day many a day and pulled a double section disc much too heavy for the tractor so I know how an N is suppose to run. It is still used for the same thing pulling the same old bush hog and disc to maintain 21 acres and it still purrs like a kitten. I cranked it the other day when I was there just to hear one run right..Mine will do the same even if I have to replace the entire engine. I will not settle for nor use a tractor that huffs abd puffs and lopes like a kangaroo when you try to use it..I will follow your adjustment procedure to the Nth degree and see if I can make it do right. If not, do you know where the best place is to order a motor? Thanks

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Dell (WA)

08-25-2005 22:00:09




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 Re: 2N adjustments ?? in reply to Paul K in IL, 08-25-2005 21:35:12  
Paul..... ..excellent M/S carburator adjustment instructions. I've been preaching for years, adjust the side-pointing idlemix for MAX rpms, NOT smoothest running. Yer right, the N-Engine ain't a RollsRoyce (grin) so what iff'n it poofs alittle at idle..... ...Dell



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Tom in MS

08-26-2005 03:43:17




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 Re: 2N adjustments ?? in reply to Dell (WA), 08-25-2005 22:00:09  
Dell, what do ya expect. I learned the proper adjust procedure from you And I didn't read it. I remembered it...Thanks again



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Rob

08-26-2005 03:55:09




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 What? in reply to Tom in MS, 08-26-2005 03:43:17  
Uh...your post follows and it is not Dell"s procedure:

" Normally start with the main needle and the idle adj(on the outside)2 turns out..Crank and let it warm up. I turn the main needle in till it stumbles then back out till it is smooth. I adjust the idle screw at low speed till it runs the best/smoothest then adjsut the screw on the back of the carb for lowest speed...This afternoon is the first time I have had time to play with it a little..I even put my Zenith carb back on it and have the same results..Zenith is adjsuted as follows: T-shaped screw on bottom out 2 1/2 turns and idle screw out 3/4 turn..warm it up then at 3/4 throttle turn in the T-shaped screw till it stumbles then back it out till it smooths out. Then adjsut idle screw till smooth slow idle(This is per salesman/owner at Farmer"s service where I bought it..."

That procedure will not do.

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Tom in MS

08-26-2005 04:01:22




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 Re: What? in reply to Rob, 08-26-2005 03:55:09  
I will be following your directions..Thanks



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