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B Little

08-05-2006 15:39:59




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After it gets warm the stater bendix is not engageing, almost seems like the battery isn"t hot enough but the starter is spinning, also the button seems a bit stiff any ideas, maybe just a new solenoid?




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Bruce (VA)

08-05-2006 15:46:41




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to B Little, 08-05-2006 15:39:59  
I'm not sure I understand your problem. Are you saying that the battery is not turning the starter over when the tractor is hot, or that the starter DOES turn over but the bendix does not engage? Is this a 6v or 12v, front or side distributor?



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B Little

08-05-2006 15:54:58




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-05-2006 15:46:41  
The starter spins, bendix does not engage. Front dist. 12v system, can"t vouch for the quality of the 6 to 12 volt conversion, was already done. Has been working very reliably until today when I wanted to use it for the first time. Isn"t that how it always goes! LMAO



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Empennage

08-05-2006 16:04:40




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to B Little, 08-05-2006 15:54:58  
You may have lost the roll pin that holds the Bendix to the end of the starter shaft. If you take the starter out be careful not to hang the Bendix over the flywheel and pull it off the end of the shaft. Once you get it out clean the Bendix drive and replace the roll pin. Sears Hardware has them.

My 2C



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B Little

08-05-2006 19:32:02




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to Empennage, 08-05-2006 16:04:40  
It appears the problem is simply the battery was dicharged enough it wouldn"t engage the bendix. Either it was because the ground cable was loose or the alternator is not chargeing. After a few minutes on the charger it fire right up.



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Empennage

08-05-2006 20:19:06




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to B Little, 08-05-2006 19:32:02  
Ahhh. The battery wasn"t charged. I remember a while back someone had posted about a solar battery tender. My tractor happens to be in a shed that has a clear panel just above the tractor. Perfect for a solar battery tender. Anyone out there in cyberland have a battery tender that has proved worthy?



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souNdguy

08-05-2006 22:19:39




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to Empennage, 08-05-2006 20:19:06  
I've had luck with those little 9$ ones from harbor freight. i keep one on my IH cub.. I let my cub go a year once without starting it... battery was completely toppe doff.

I need to get a couple more for my big fords.. to get them thru the winter when they don't get run every weekend to cut the pasture..

Soundguy



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dan hill

08-07-2006 05:06:40




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to souNdguy, 08-05-2006 22:19:39  
Just looked at a friends charger that smoked. 1 diode shorted, thermal fuse in winding open.Hope you know about lightning strikes on power lines shorting charger diodes, transformers catching fire.Battery maintainers I looked at are imports, built cheap... Solar is the safe way to go.



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souNdguy

08-07-2006 05:48:11




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to dan hill, 08-07-2006 05:06:40  
Whenever i build chargers/power supplies for myself, I always add reverse current protection to them in the form of a diode reversed, parallel to the charge lines, with a fuse in line with the positive line.. that way if a diode shorts, or if the charger is hooked up backwards, then a fuse pops quick.

Another good bit of cheap insurance is a mov and NE lamp parallel to the ac line input, and a fuse between the plug and the mov/NE lamp.

Depending on the mov, you can get clamping at 150-400v.. it's not a super fast device.. but it helps.. and will shunt enough current to open a primary side fuse fast enough for non computerized equipment... the natural inductance of the transformer primary should keep the current lagging for a few micor/milliseconds. though the voltage will come up ( that's where the mov/NE buld comeinto play ). The NE bulb won't shunt much current before failure.. but will act a tad faster than the MOV... thus using the two together gives you decent and cheap protection. You can also expans to other 'modes' of protection and ne/buld-mov the neutral to ground line, as well as hot to neutral, and hot to ground. This way you can also help prevent damage in areas where there are site wireing faults.. and/or insuficient grounds.. etc.

As an added bonus, the NE lamps give you an idea of the site wireing, and of the 'health of the charge/power supply.

An 'out' bulb across the HN & HG lines indicates primary fuse failure or no power.. so you know to check the system. Also, a 'lit' NE bulb on the NG lines lets you know there is significant voltage betwixt neutral and ground, and that points to a site wireing fault.. etc.. All these components, including a tip package or to packages regulator ( in the case of a power supply.. not a charger ) only add 2-3$ to a circuit cost, but add lots of protection. For the person with a tad bit of electrical experience, a zenir shunt diode can be added to the rectified portion of the secondary side to help grab 'over voltage' spikes that make it thru to the secondary, in case the filtering on the primary side fails to shut down the circuit fast enough and lets a brief amount of high primary current incuce a brief over volage situation on the secondary side.

Soundguy

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dan hill

08-08-2006 03:34:42




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to souNdguy, 08-07-2006 05:48:11  
My chargers have primary fuses.A post type fuse holder costs a buck or so.Mfg leave this part out, might cost 25 cents at their level.I have found 30 amp fuses,pieces of copper tubing and wire and a length of drill rod in holders on fence chargers that are marked one ampere fuses only.



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John Diercks

08-06-2006 07:41:54




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to souNdguy, 08-05-2006 22:19:39  
could you give more info on the charger?



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souNdguy

08-06-2006 13:19:40




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to John Diercks, 08-06-2006 07:41:54  
It is a solar panel about the size of the top of a show box.. rounded corners.. red plastic ABS? housing, and about 3"x8" of solar cells in the middle... unit is about 5" wide ont he ends and 6" in the middle.. and 1" thick.. say.. 1' long.

Has a black cable running from it to a quick disconnect, then to a cig lighter adapter that has a blinking red led to let you know it is charging.

Soundguy

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Empennage

08-05-2006 22:26:41




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 Re: 2 N starter issues in reply to souNdguy, 08-05-2006 22:19:39  
Thanks souNdguy. I"ll dig up my catalogue.



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