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BILLY JACK LEWI

11-11-2006 16:59:47




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reference firing 0rder 1,2,3,4. you subjusted that i may have 3 and 4 crossed. after checking and rechecking about 4 times i found that i had 2 and 3 crossed. having corrected that, i went and tried to mow the roadside. i stalled the tractor out and it wouldn't start. i walked back to the house and got a chain and a friend to help me get thr tractor back home. i found it was low on gas.
i put 3 gals. from a gas can i had filled a month ago and preceed to try and start, but couldn' get it started. i worked on it 2 and half days, rechecked everything and it appeared to be okay. it still wouldn't start. so i pulled the plugs and sandblasted them.i was able to start the tractor and adjust the carbarator and went back to the road and mowed several blocks. the weld cracked and tne grill slipped and knock a hole in 4 tubes.i had to pull the hood and sorder the raidiator.while the gas tank was off i did a compression check and it was good, 95, 90,90, 95.
i put in new plugs and having difficult starting.
it will start, but not on a consistent basis. get it started and warm it up and then it won't start.it was starting good and restarting good bfoe i started messing with it for the lack of power.
thank for the help

Billy Jack

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uh . . . Dell (WA)

11-11-2006 20:58:03




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-11-2006 16:59:47  
Billy Jack..... ...I had to go back to your original post on 1 Nov to find out that you have a 4-nipple frontmount distributor that you converted to 12-volts, installed a transistor ignition, and ADAMANTLY INSISTED your firing order was correct. (well guess what?)

Now listen carefully, we really want to help, when you post, PLEASE list ALL the important particulars. Ignition system and battery system are very important. About the ONLY useful information you posted today is your compression readings. (NOT GREAT, but acceptable, Ford spec: 90psi minimum) I flunked mind reading, just ask my ex-wife of 32yrs.

You write..... .."i put 3 gals. from a gas can i had filled a month ago and preceed to try and start, but couldn' get it started. i worked on it 2 and half days, rechecked everything and it appeared to be okay. it still wouldn't start. so i pulled the plugs and sandblasted them.i was able to start the tractor"..... ..guess what? In all yer fuxxing around, you FLOODED yer engine and CONTAMINATED yer sparkies with INVISIBLE no-lead gasoline deposits and yer WEAK SPARKIES won't sparkle flooded sparkies. How do I know this? You pulled the plugs and sandblasted them clean. (thats a no-brainer)

tip: ALWAYS have a spare clean and dry set of sparkies to IMMEDIATELY REPLACE yer flooded sparkies ennytime you can't start yer engine. You don't throw yer flooded sparkies away, you wait until yer engine is warmed up and replace 1-flooded sparkie at a time and let the HOT COMBUSTION CLEAN yer flooded sparkies. Wadda concept!!! Now SAVE yer cleaned sparkies for the NEXT TIME you flood. (and there will be a NEXT TIME)

You write..... .."i put in new plugs and having difficult starting"..... ..welp, all the NEW SPARKIES in the world ain't going to make up for WEAK SPARKIES.

You write..... .."it was starting good and restarting good bfoe i started messing with it for the lack of power"..... .welp, I doubt that, sorry. We want to help, but you keep shooting yer self in the foot. Don't you see the dichotomy here?

I told you 10 days ago, your electronic ignition was NOT helping your weak sparkies.

You write..... ."it will start, but not on a consistent basis. get it started and warm it up and then it won't start"..... ..welp, that has all the characteristics of BAD IGNITION SWITCH guttz. 10 days ago, I told you part of your weak sparkies problem was yer weaksister ignition switch ($10, cheap) Ya wannna listen to me now?..... .respectfully, Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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BILLY JACK LEWIS

11-12-2006 13:17:46




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 Re: no power in reply to uh . . . Dell (WA), 11-11-2006 20:58:03  

Dear Dell,
Please note your post of November 1 subjested that I may have crossed 3 and 4. It turned out that 2 and 3 were crossed. you were right I did have wire crossed, but not 3 and 4. A far as electronic ignition it came with it's own mounting plate and no screws sticking through.

as for your post of November 11, you told me that you posted on November 1, that I needed to check or replace the ignition switch, please read that post again. I could not find where you wrote that. As for the ignition switch it was replaced about 2 months ago, until then I was using the hot wire method. I using a jumper wire to the cellanode to start the tractor.

Until 3 weeks ago I had not used the brushog only the tractor for moving logs.

I didn't mean to upset you with my questions.

Respectfully, Billy Jack


Billy Jack..... ..thank you for your soft return. I know you are frustrated, relax and chill for a while. Now pay attention and listen closely.

Even though you claim the firing order is correct, convince me. Why? Because these N-Engines are soooo goood that they will run and start on just 2-cylinders and until you load them with a brushhog you won't know it. Because of the weirdness of the 4-nipple frontmount distributor, it is very eazy to miss-wire their firing order; 1,2,4,3 CCW. You say replaced the sparkie wires and that raises a red-flag with me, usually sparkies #4 & #3 gitt swapped. Humor me and re-check them, thank you.

As for checking the timing on the frontmount distributor, it is best done by a ruler and the picture in the I&T FO-4 manual. You CANNOT check or adjust the timing with a timing light. Its just the way it is. (tip: timing RETARD is available on an adjustable slot at side distributor. MAX ADVANCE is bottom of the slot, try that) Too much advance makes the engine hard to start, you retard the spark for eazier starting. The low compression N-Engine was designed for 70-octaine gasoline in 1939, even the cheapest gas available today is 87-octaine. Don't worry about knockking from over-advancing. Just worry about being retarded enuff for eazy starting.

You say you installed an electronic ignition module. That raises a red-flag to me. Your complaint of lack of high-rpm power can be cause by using a TOO-LONG mounting screw so that it sticks thru the points mounting plate and catches and STOPS the centrifical advance so that you have NO ADVANCE and lack high-rpm power. Check it out.

OR.....your lack of high-rpm power, just might be a too-lean down-pointing mainjet in your new carburator. Try ENRICHING the down-pointing mainjet by 1/4-turn CCW. Enny HELP???

As I said earlier, there are many causes of low-power, you now have 4-possibilities that you need to check out. And surprizingly 12-volts ain't a reason. Please get back to us and let us know which ones worked and why. Thank you. ..... ..respectfully, Dell


You write..... ."it will start, but not on a consistent basis. get it started and warm it up and then it won't start"..... ..welp, that has all the characteristics of BAD IGNITION SWITCH guttz. 10 days ago, I told you part of your weak sparkies problem was yer weaksister ignition switch ($10, cheap) Ya wannna listen to me now?..... .respectfully, Dell, yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Dell (WA)

11-12-2006 17:17:03




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-12-2006 13:17:46  
Billy..... ...you don't upset me with your questions, I just pointed out some of your "short-comings" and why. But you seem to delight in playing 20-questions, instead of voluntarily providing information that you all ready know we need to know. We really want to help, but you have to help us too.

And the difference between crossed sparkies #2 & #3 and crossed sparkies #3 & #4 is???? I told you I FLUNKED MIND READING.

Based upon your posting, I STILL stand by my comment, You write..... ."it will start, but not on a consistent basis. get it started and warm it up and then it won't start"..... ..welp, that has all the characteristics of BAD IGNITION SWITCH guttz"..... . I still say REPLACE yer weaksister ignition switch. AGAIN!!! ($10, cheap) What is so HARD to UNDERSTAND about that?..... ..respectfully, Dell

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Rod From IL

11-11-2006 20:04:37




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-11-2006 16:59:47  
Is this a Front or side mount. There is a big flaw in the design of the Fronts ( I have a 48 N and Love it) you would never see this flaw unless you mow uneven ground. The frount rocker will come up and hit the Cap sometimes causing the rotor to crack or brake. If it hits it hard you can brake more then just the cap and rotor. I know that this is a problem so I plan my rout as I mow. Well any how. Good luck. The Best smell in the world is OLD TRACTOR

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BILLY JACK LEWIS

11-11-2006 18:09:03




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-11-2006 16:59:47  
wife typeO ! 1,2,4,3 is right
billy



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roger '40 9n

11-11-2006 17:24:47




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-11-2006 16:59:47  
Actually the firing order is 1 2 4 3 with 1 being closest to the radiator.

Check your order again.

Roger in Michigan



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BILLY JACK LEWIS

11-11-2006 18:29:28




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 Re: no power in reply to roger '40 9n, 11-11-2006 17:24:47  
wife typeO 1243 is what i have
billy



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old

11-11-2006 17:07:37




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 Re: no power in reply to BILLY JACK LEWIS, 11-11-2006 16:59:47  
Well if its a front mount when you knocked a hole in the raidayor you probably got the cap/rotor etc wet and water/antifreeze and them parts don't mix well



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GB in MT.

11-11-2006 20:01:28




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 Re: no power in reply to old, 11-11-2006 17:07:37  
I wudd nut drink that stuff either. HA!



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