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BOB IN TN

02-27-2007 17:29:56




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Any ideas on removing head studs. I got a wild hair and tore down my 2n for a rebuild. It had been some time since the last one. It still had the two piece valve guides. Well anyway, I broke three of the head studs getting them off and had to drill and tap. Since I've joined this forum, I'll ask for help before the next tractor comes along. I used to guess at my problems before beating the hell out of it with a hammer. Now I ask you guys, then beat the hell out of it.

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Tex - Driftwood, TX

02-28-2007 11:26:33




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to BOB IN TN, 02-27-2007 17:29:56  
dont do what i did.

i broke one off about 1/8 inch down inside the block.

I"ve tried everything mentioned above, none of it worked. been drilling on the thing every weekend for about 3 weekends now. Hoping that once i get all the way through it will relieve some of the pressure and i"ll be able to back it out with a reverese drill bit.

Tex



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BOB IN TN

02-28-2007 09:27:41




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to BOB IN TN, 02-27-2007 17:29:56  
Thanks for the info, ya'll answered my question and then some.



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Bob

02-27-2007 19:00:23




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to BOB IN TN, 02-27-2007 17:29:56  
When trying to loosen broken studs with heat, the best thing is an oxy-accetylene torch with a fairly small tip. Heat the STUD as much as possible, rather than the surrounding metal. When it is partially cooled so it's safe, touch a candle to the stud area so the wax melts and "wicks" into the threads. Believe it or not, the candle wax is better than penetrating oil.

Let it cool to ambient, then repeat. NEVER EVER try to move the stud while it's hot or even warm.

Trying to move the stud while HOT tends to make the stud and the surrounding metal "gall", and literally weld to each other.

Heating the the stud, letting it cool, and repeating several times makes the stud get LONGER, and SHRINKS it away from the surrounding metal.

I spent a lot of time in the shop in my younger years, with my late Uncle, who was good friends with a real Swedish blacksmith. This was one of his "tricks", and it DOES work. I use it to this day.

Or, if you have an arc welder, weld a flat washer to the brokeb stud, burning the weld into the stud as much as possible, to heat it as much as possible. Then, weld a good-sized hex nut to the washer, to privide something tho turn the broken stud out with.

Once again, let it COOL to ambient, before wrenching on it.

If the washer breaks off of the stud, repeat the process, several times, if necessary, until the stud lets good.

I can't see any reason NOT to put studs back in. They use the full depth of the threads in the block, making it as easy as possible on the threads in the block, and are easy to seal to the block to prevent water leaks.

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Hobo,NC

02-27-2007 19:26:26




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Bob, 02-27-2007 19:00:23  
Best I menber not enny wax will werk, or one izz rite much better than the other, I have been told to use only b’s wax, rite are wrong what wax do you use.



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Bob

02-28-2007 06:53:56




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Hobo,NC, 02-27-2007 19:26:26  
Like everything else, folks have their favorite. I just snatch one of the wife's spare candles, and have had good luck.



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BOB IN TN

02-27-2007 17:43:08




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to BOB IN TN, 02-27-2007 17:29:56  
Thanks,Ihave a stud remover but not a torch. Should I put the head back on with 8n headbolts?



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Dunk

02-27-2007 17:47:42




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to BOB IN TN, 02-27-2007 17:43:08  
That is a question with a complicated answer.

Mine are bolts.

There are good reasons to go with studs, and other good reasons to go with bolts.

Maybe one or two of the others will give you those reasons.

I'ma bout too drunk too...



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Dunk

02-27-2007 17:38:31




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to BOB IN TN, 02-27-2007 17:29:56  
HEAT, brother!!

You need a good cutting torch, but not to cut but to heat, heat to RED.

I use Oxy, Propane.

I own the torch, and the tanks, they last me long time, without refill.

Not many stuck bolt problems I can't solve, easily.

But there is quite a bit of experience worked in there too.



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Dunk...Drankin

02-27-2007 17:44:06




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Dunk, 02-27-2007 17:38:31  
And a good pair of vice grips to get a grip on the red hot stud, and work it back and forth to get it started, if it still doesn't move a little back and forth, more heat may be needed.



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Hobo,NC

02-27-2007 18:02:54




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Dunk...Drankin, 02-27-2007 17:44:06  
If all failed and I had to heat the stud and got it red hot I don’t think I would try and turn it till it cooled down. If the stud wuz like one on a zaust manifold and you heat the surrounding metal and not the stud then I see were you are coming from but in this case I don’t. It would take a cat wif a good feel to not twist the stud into. Show izz hard to splain to sumone how to remove stuck parts, the tried and failed method seams to be the best way to learn then you member how much werk it wuz to straiten out whut you messed up if it could be fixed at all. I do see were you are coming from tho.

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Dunk

02-27-2007 18:36:56




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Hobo,NC, 02-27-2007 18:02:54  
Exactly!!!

It is a touchy feely thang.

Just like foolin wif a woman!!

Sometimes thangs don't go jest right, but you do learn from those (bad times)..

Exaust manifold bolts er where I am coming from.

I have never broke one of them rusty summma well.

Always got em out..

I even had my BROKE bottom lift pin turning, by welding bolts on it with a stick welder, fore I figgered it wasn't gonna screw out cause it had a castle nut with a cotter pin on the inside fore I gave up on that one!!

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Hobo,NC

02-27-2007 18:56:18




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Dunk, 02-27-2007 18:36:56  
Will I had that feel.n that’s were you were coming from and I spec you really don’t recommend he try and turn a red hot stud, may’b a red head but not a red hot stud. It would be sorts of bad thang to heat the block to try and git’em out like we would do on a manifold, how bout that do I git a 10-4 on that good buddy, “have we bonded yet” or became creek cuzzins.



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Dunk

02-27-2007 19:00:42




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Hobo,NC, 02-27-2007 18:56:18  
No doubt Hobo, weins got somethin in common somewhere back up the DNA chain!!

I shore am glad that someone can translate what I am talkin about fer me... well somtimes..



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Dunk

02-27-2007 19:09:15




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Dunk, 02-27-2007 19:00:42  
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Dunk

02-27-2007 19:12:20




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to Dunk, 02-27-2007 19:09:15  
Gosh, that took a lot of editing..

And it still wasn't the way i wanted to post it.

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Dan

02-27-2007 17:33:37




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 Re: removing head studs in reply to BOB IN TN, 02-27-2007 17:29:56  
There is a tool called a stud extractor, it seems to help get tight studs out without snapping them. If you have plenty of time, heating the stud, soaking in penetrating oil, and tapping on the stud helps - then repeat about 20 times. This will loosen the rust bond and make it easier to remove.

Good luck,
Dan



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