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Awadi

03-16-2007 07:36:06




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Just wondered what you guys think, The old 47 8n, front dist, is blue smokin so I know it needs rings but it holds 40 lbs oil pressure. Should I just replace the rings or should I just go ahead and tear her down and check the crank etc? I got new wires,plugs etc and gas tank for her, am thinkin just to overhaul it all but $$ would be a lot more.

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Awadi

03-16-2007 10:48:25




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 Re: Overhaul advice in reply to Awadi, 03-16-2007 07:36:06  
Thanks for the advice, I wont be able to work on her for a week or so but will try the suggestions first, I had put a jug of Marvel in the oil and gas and run for 30 or so minutes and it smoothed out. but the gas tank was full of rust and clogged the plugs and carb and she quit running. Forgot to ask, two of the plugs have I think what is called an oil compenastor, the plugs are screwed into a cylender and then that is screwed into the head. Those two are wet around them, leak? What does using that mean?

I got a gas tank from a lawnmower shop to use as a temp so I can work on it with the hood off. Sure appreciate the help, y'all need to write a book "8ns for Dummys" some of us could sure use it.....john

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old

03-16-2007 09:30:26




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 Re: Overhaul advice in reply to Awadi, 03-16-2007 07:36:06  
I sort of agree with Dell but I would fill the cylinders with tranny fluid and let it set a few days. If you fill them the tranny fluid works down around the rings better and soaks in good and also removes carbon that can be causeing problems also. But don't spin the engine over with the plugs in because it will cause a hyd lock up. Now if you still think you need to open it up do it all rings, rods, main bearings or you will end up blowing the lower end out because you have fixed the top but are still useing old bottom parts which may not take the new rings and fall out the bottom on you. Or in other words do it all or nothing or you may find it will cost you double in the long run

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Dell (WA)

03-16-2007 09:08:54




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 Re: Overhaul advice in reply to Awadi, 03-16-2007 07:36:06  
Awadi..... .WHY??? You ain't gotta worn engine problem, not with 40psi oil pressure. You gotta STUCK-RINGS problem. This is a $10 (cheap) Marvel Mystery Oil solution ...or... $5 (cheaper) Automatic tranny oil (enny brand) solution.

Just pour about 1-oz (tablespoon, or oilcan squirter) down each sparkie hole and let the mouse-milk UN-STICK yer stuck-up rings. Takes a couple of days for this de-sticky trick to work. Treat'em every day, crank'em over to spread the treatment up'n'down the cylinder walls so the rings scrape the treatment into the piston ring grooves. Simple, eh?

Then starter-up and wait for oil burning to clear outta yer rings. And FINALLY, check yer compression. Ford specs: 90psi min (dry) warm engine.

Then explain again why you want to OVERHAUL a good engine..... .Dell

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A. Bohemian

03-16-2007 07:51:24




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 Re: Overhaul advice in reply to Awadi, 03-16-2007 07:36:06  
If you're sure it's only oil smoke...

Before environmental concerns became so widespread, the old-timers never paid much attention to a motor that burned a little oil.

They just kept running it, and carried a spare set of gapped plugs and a plug wrench at all times. Sure, the motor generally had less compression and so less power; but they took that into account and changed their expectations of what the vehicle was capable of, accordingly.

And, they started saving, either for a rebuild or another vehicle, knowing that the problem wouldn't go away by itself and the motor would gradually burn more and more oil until they only got a few hours out of the fouling plugs; at that point it was generally felt a rebuild could no longer be put off.

I would START SAVING MONEY NOW and keep running the tractor just a little bit longer IF THERE ARE NO OTHER SYMPTOMS OF ENGINE WEAR (and if you're certain that 40 psi is an accurate reading!). That way you won't have to do things by halves but can take care of everything properly all at once.

(This is likely to be a controversial suggestion; I'm not going to insist it's the only way to manage this problem, and will happily defer to posters with more experience.)

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A. Bohemian

03-16-2007 08:08:17




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 Re: Overhaul advice in reply to A. Bohemian, 03-16-2007 07:51:24  
I forgot to mention two things:

(a) The best and most obvious counter-argument to what I have said above is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

In other words, since the oil pressure is good, and if you're not hearing bearing knock or other bad noises, maybe new rings is all she needs.

I think this is just as legitimate a view as that I expressed above. You'll have to choose your own path.

(b)If I have a motor re-sleeved (or over-bored) and new rings put in, I generally have the valves done, also.

Otherwise you may not get the improvement in compression you might expect to see, as fresh rings often push the compressed charge past marginal valves (and fresh valves often hold so well they can make the charge blow past marginal rings).

So, if you decide to go with new rings only, think about doing the valves also.

Kind of like always replacing the points and condenser at the same time...

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