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chief 85

12-12-2006 21:43:42




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Oliver Super 55 Diesel. The left side brakes have been oil soaked. The oil problem is cured. The brakes (disc) are in great shape with almost no wear. I have not priced them nor check on relining. I'm actually hoping someone has great way of cleaning them. If they were on a car I would replace them but with the slow speeds of a tractor I'd like to avoid it. Any great ideas?




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jdemaris

12-15-2006 12:18:02




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 Torch works best in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
When I worked at a Deere dealer, we used a torch to clean up oil-soaked linings, regardless if it was an engine clutch, dry wheel or track steering brakes, winch drum brakes, etc. When you just clean with solvents, much of the residue stays soaked in the band out of sight. Then, the first time you use it hard - and it gets hot - oil keeps coming out of it. John Deere brake bands winches were a good test since they are just barely adequate when new and dry. We fixed many oil-soaked bands by holding a torch on them and cooking the oil out of the lining. If it's a glued/bonded band - don't get it so hot that you melt the glue. I also know of a few machine shops that bakes them in an oven. But- a hand-held torch works fine. If your lining isn't fireproof - then it's not worth anything anyway.

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Shovelman

12-15-2006 04:56:45




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
I've always had good luck soaking them in gas for a day or two and then packing them in Speedi-Dry for another day or so to draw everything back out. A 5 gal pail with lid works best.

Good luck,
Scott



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msb

12-13-2006 20:43:57




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
I use mineral spirits.Brush it in to the pores of the lining and then rinse real good with clean MS until the MS comes out clear.Then blow them dry and sand them a bit.



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TDK

12-13-2006 20:22:11




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
I have hung them from a wire in front of a propane heater with a drip pan underneath them. When they quit smoking & dripping they're good to go.



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NE IA Dave

12-13-2006 19:17:45




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
After all the cleaning, take a carpenders chalk bottle or a squeeze type catsup bottle full of pumis powder (not sure of spelling)and dust the surface. We have a friction crane 20 ton and the company said to use it sparangly at first then add to it when applying brakes often to get the feel of how much to use. You can get it at furniture stores, it is a very fine powder. I'm not familular with your tractor, but probably there is a spring hole to blast it through. NE IA Dave

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chief 83

12-13-2006 16:56:17




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
Thanks for all the suggestions. The best part of all is nobody said "buy new ones". I've since take apart the opposite side. Rusty but free of grease/oil. Since they are discs and there is a pair on each side I'm thinking about using one of the oiled ones and one of the dry ones on each side. At least they would not grip equally. Does that make any sense?



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RustyFarmall

12-14-2006 11:56:24




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 83, 12-13-2006 16:56:17  
Tractors do not move fast enough to worry about "perfect" brakes, which is probably why no one said "buy new". If the brakes you have will stop the tractor, and hold it there, what more do you need?



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Yugrotcart

12-13-2006 15:06:19




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
I've dried a few out with just a little heat. I have used a small propane torch, as soon as I would see smoke, I'd stop heating.
Worked for me.

Paul



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jake4

12-13-2006 11:56:07




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
The break material is tough stuff soaking in laquer thinner for an hour then sand, it'll look like new.



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old

12-13-2006 07:57:25




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
Ive had the same problem a few times. I just go out and buy 3 or 4 cans of brake cleaner and spray them off wipe them and spray them again and again till there half way clean. Do it that way has always worked for me. My self if I did as Rusty says the diesel would just make things worse. Now useing gas wouldn't becuase its not a lube but diesel is an oil so it would work as a lube

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RustyFarmall

12-13-2006 12:49:59




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 Re: brakes in reply to old, 12-13-2006 07:57:25  
The diesel fuel will not evaporate, and will dissolve the heavy oil that has soaked into the brake material. Gasoline will evaporate too quickly to really be effective on the soaked in oil, but the gasoline will be effective to dissolve and dry out the residue from the diesel fuel, which is why I recommended using both diesel and gasoline. Even better would be to use regular cleaning solvent such as Barsol, but not everyone has access to that. Brake cleaner would also be effective, provided the oil has not penetrated too deep.

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old

12-13-2006 15:02:00




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 Re: brakes in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-13-2006 12:49:59  
Rusty thats whay when I do it is use a pan of gas the the brakes will have gas covering them so it cleans them well and gets it all. I've never had any luck with diesel fuel for any thing other then fuel. But that could also just be me



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RustyFarmall

12-13-2006 05:42:00




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
I'd try soaking them in diesel fuel, and maybe scub a little with a wire brush? Finish up by soaking in gasoline and then allow to air dry. I've done this with grease soaked brake bands on cars that I owned. I would never do it for a customer, just too much risk involved, but it will work, and you'll never know the difference.



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Slowpoke

12-13-2006 01:32:20




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 Re: brakes in reply to chief 85, 12-12-2006 21:43:42  
I was trying to return to the Tool Talk Forum from an email page when I got the board list and saw your question. Maybe soak them in a series of small containers of brake cleaner. It can't hurt to try. The containers would have to be sealed because of the rapid evaporation of the cleaner. I don't know if it is available in anything but spray cans. Acetone might remove the oil also. Benzine? Napatha? Maybe start with laundry soap and hot water? I have the same problem with my Case VAC. Almost no brakes at all.

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