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Richard Ralston

02-24-2004 15:57:55




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I am looking at a Farmall 560 with dual wheels on the back and the narrow frontend. Is it safe to put a bucket on this tractor with the narrow frontend?




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Richard Ralston

02-26-2004 09:21:58




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 Re: Farmall 560 in reply to Richard Ralston, 02-24-2004 15:57:55  
Thanks for the responses. I have a Ford 8N withe the wide frontend and a small loader but I bought a 3 point chipper that weighs about 900 lbs and the 8N is a little small for hauling the chipper around and I doubt it has enough horsepower to adaquetly power the chipper. The chipper is supposed to be able to chip a 8" log. The guy I bought it from paid about $6,500 for it and used it about 4 hours. I gave him $2500 for it and I thought it would be better than burning.
I looked at the 560 to replace the 8N. A used wide frontend is about $1000, loader about $1500.

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Hugh MacKay

02-25-2004 03:01:14




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 Re: Farmall 560 in reply to Richard Ralston, 02-24-2004 15:57:55  
Richard: I would say most of these guys didn't read your post very carefully. A tractor with duals and a loader probably more stable than most. Your outside duals will make the tractor clsoe to 10 feet wide on the rear wheels. I ran three tractors back in the 70s and 80s, a 1066 with duals never off, a 560 with loader and 656. I had one set of duals that would fit both 560 and 656. I can tell you because of the stability they gave for loader work, they were probably on the 560, 95% of the time. Tractors without loaders and duals will slide sideways down a hill before upset. I experienced this many times with duals on. Now you will need to be a bit more careful with a loader on.

Three items that lower the center of graviety on a tractor, thus giving more stability are width of rear tires, solid weight on rear of tractor or liquid weight in your rear tires. As long as these items are adhered to it isn't going to matter one little bit whether you tractor has narrow or wide front.

My biggest concern with narrow front on a loader tractor is strength. My dad bought his first loader with a new H narrow front in 1951. Being the first loader in the neighborhood that tractor saw lot of loader work. With neighbors doing exchange, dad would have as many as 5 manure spreaders hauling from him. He always joked that the loader was more valuable than the spreader. He moved that loader to a new 300 narrow front in 55. The H had the chanels that run along side engine cracked and welded many times just in 4 years, and it finally broke the torque tube. All of this caused by loader and the fact with narrow fronts, both front wheels will hit an obstacial at same time, whereas wide fronts don't do that. The 300 broke the same chanels, and after re enforcing them it broke the front bolster. I later put a wide front on the 300. They roll so much easier over bad spots when backing with bucket full.

Having said all of this you still have to use extreem caution using loaders on tractors. I never liked loaders on tractors. They were never designed for a loader. Vehicles half the size with engine on the opposite end from loader will load circles around a tractor. In 1972, I bought a Case 1737 Uniloader as I needed a second loader on farm. In 1975 I bought a second Case 1737 Uniloader. Within 6 months the IH 2000 loader was taken off my 560 and packed away in the shed for later use if needed. Some years later I sold the loader.

Just an example of what I saw. My dad and I were cleaning up some soil after barn building. He on one side of dump truck with 560 and loader, I on other side with Case skidsteer. After two loads of me putting 90% of the load on, dad sat in the truck while I loaded him. 4 wheel drive tractors are no better on loaders, they just beat the crap out of the lighter differential.

And by the way Richard, my dad started farming in 1938, since then the farm probably clocked 125,000 hours on tractors with as many as 6 employees. The farm enjoyed a history of never having had a lost time accident.

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Bob

02-24-2004 18:40:29




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 Re: Farmall 560 in reply to Richard Ralston, 02-24-2004 15:57:55  
Richard, No it is not safe. Loaders are never safe. Using a narrow front ended tractor just multiples the possibility of problems. Remember only 1 mistake can easily be your final one.
Can you use a narrow front and a loader "of course" but if you have limited loader experience I would recommend against it. Good luck whichever way you go
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Chris-se-ILL

02-24-2004 18:16:54




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 Re: Farmall 560 in reply to Richard Ralston, 02-24-2004 15:57:55  
I have two Farmall 560's. We have a homemade loader on one of them {it has always had a narrow front end}. It works great! I am looking for a good loader {commercial made} to put on the other 560, because I want a litle wider bucket and the option of putting a hay fork on it.

The main thing to using a loader on a narrow frontend tractor is to keep the load as low as possible {and practical} to minimize the chance of over centering the weight!!! Don't raise the load any higher than absolutely necessary, until you are ready to dump the load or transfer the load. {hint: Keep it low!!!!} I have seen too many folks raise the bucket all the way up to get it out of their way (so it won't block their vision) while mowing or doing other chores... this only makes the whole thing top heavy and gets the operator in trouble if he hits a hole or low spot. I mow with the bucket about 18 inches (or close to that) off the ground.

I took a wide front end assembly off my second Farmall 560 and the entire {-complete-} assembly, bolster, spindles, draglinks and rims has been laying in the shed for 2 years. I changed it to the narrow frontend so that the tractor will steer better while using the sicklebar mower {hard to make a proper 90 degree turn with a wide frontend}.

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The F-20 Man

02-24-2004 16:36:39




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 Re: Farmall 560 in reply to Richard Ralston, 02-24-2004 15:57:55  
i own a 460 i dnt think there was much of a change body wise ibn them but as long as u dnt get alot of weight out on one side you should be alright



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russ

02-24-2004 16:33:23




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 Re: Farmall 560 in reply to Richard Ralston, 02-24-2004 15:57:55  
yes it is along as you have commen sense when using it;but then again maybe you shouldnt if your asking this question,im not saying you dont have the commen sence, i thinking that if you have to ask this question that your not familiar with loaders



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