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Allan in NE

05-17-2005 16:10:35




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Hi Guys,

Was quizzin' my neighbor on how to establish alfalfa behind winter wheat.

He says the last two years, guys have been yankin' the straw off right behind that combine and runnin' the drill right in the stubble with no nurse crop at all; just droppin' the alfalfa.

He says that with any luck at all and a touch of rain we have a hay crop next year without the years' wait because all alfalfa needs is three leaves and it will survive the winter.

Kind of interesting and sounds like a plan IF IT RAINS.

Whadda think?

Allan

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WyoDave

05-18-2005 14:04:05




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
We seed quite a bit of alfalfa around here each year which should be close to your climate. We don't have any dryland though, but we haven't used a nurse crop even on spring alfalfa for probably 5 years now. We just control the weeds, seed it and if we have to we'll use a herbicide to control weeds post emergent. No competition for moisture that way. Best stands we've ever had even with the drought going on.
David

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Leroy

05-18-2005 02:39:05




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
Here, Ohio, it is considered normal to plant alfalfa in august,most times following wheat with the straw taken off as the straw was needed for bedding the cows he alfalfa was needed for to feed, normal 30 some inches of rain per year, usualy ground worked then planted, no till has not been tried much here on alfalfa and alfalfa is on its way out as the dairy farmers are quiting and going the corn-soybean rotation with no till

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paul

05-17-2005 20:34:37




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
They have started doing that here in MN after spring wheat or oats. Seems to work well for them - but our climate is so different I would not go on my word for your place.... Less weeds, less erosion, no competition or wheel traffic on it, need to catch one rain....

--->Paul



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kyhayman

05-17-2005 19:16:58




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
Not a soul here uses a nurse crop on alfalfa that I know of for any reason other than a spring seeding and they need a crop of something to harvest in the same year. Otherwise plant and go. Your results may vary.



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Coloken

05-17-2005 18:59:42




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 go for it in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
Go for it. Use drill (not brodcast) and get it covered. Dry or wet don't worry. It'll come when it comes. Wheat stubble will protect it from wind. Don't get carried away and try working the ground first or it will be too loose. All the alfalfa I have ever grown has been dry land.



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Bob/Ont

05-17-2005 17:54:49




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
Old drills all had a small seed box on the back of them to do that. Usually put red clover in with oats and had hay the next year and plowed that in for fall wheat after second cut.
Later Bob



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TomH

05-17-2005 16:59:47




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
Sounds like dryland farming to me. All you get by stirring the soil is dust, the alfalfa seed will wait for the rain, won't it?



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Allan in NE

05-17-2005 17:07:33




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to TomH, 05-17-2005 16:59:47  
Well, I dunno.

That's what I was thinkin', but have never had any experience with slingin' alfalfa seed without the typical oats nurse crop and planting it in the spring.

Seems like if a guy can gamble on gaining that "jump year" and win, okay. But, is it worth the risk at what? $30 per acre? At least with the oats, ya always get "something" that first year. :>)

Allan



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Roger P

05-17-2005 16:16:26




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 16:10:35  
I have been told on good authority that the best time to plant alfalfa is just before a 2 inch rain!!



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tire_guy

05-17-2005 17:19:15




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Roger P, 05-17-2005 16:16:26  
Back on the farm in Kansas we found that planting alfalfa after wheat was by far the best method. You really do have a nurse crop because of the volunteer wheat. The first crop the next year would be about 1/3 alfalfa and 2/3 wheat which made a really good feed. The rest of the hay crops that year seemed to be as good as established alfalfa. But we never tried planting into the standing stubble. We always worked the ground to make a good seedbed and planted the middle of August and I think we usually baled the straw so as to not to deal with it. We used 4 lb to the acre of seed and I would think that if you
seeded into the stubble you would need a much higher rate. It always worked for us which
I never could say when we planted in the spring.

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Allan in NE

05-17-2005 17:45:25




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to tire_guy, 05-17-2005 17:19:15  
That's just what the neighbor said.

Said he watched a feller do it two years in a row and that granted, he was lucky enough to have caught the fabled "18th of August" rains, but that he had ended up with a perfect stand both times.

Allan



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steveormary

05-17-2005 20:57:09




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 Re: The Neighbor Sez in reply to Allan in NE, 05-17-2005 17:45:25  
Allan;

Disk it once and harrow it twice before you seed alfalfa or mabe its disk it twice and harrow it twice. Cant remember.

You can sow alfalfa about anytime. Sow it into dry ground and wait for a rain. One of our best stands was sown in June. I usually didnt sow untill Aug. Then I would plow and disk and springtooth and harrow before I sowed the alfalfa. Then Dad would say you have to harrow it three times. First time,harrow it in.
2nd time, harrow it out.
then harrow it back in again.

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