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Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems?

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Jim Spencer

10-04-2002 06:11:38




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David Coe in MD

10-04-2002 08:10:21




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 Re: Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems? in reply to Jim Spencer, 10-04-2002 06:11:38  
[I'm also sending this to your email address, as you requested, but
I'd prefer to discuss this here where we can learn from others, and
preserve the conversation to help future searchers.]

My NAA hydraulic problems sound quite different from yours -- I've
read your postings over the past few days but had little to add -- but
maybe it'll help to discuss our separate problems. (I'm planning to
try and fix mine this winter.) Here's a brief summary of my problem:

My lift drifts down when the power is off, and it "hiccups"
continually (but works otherwise, and holds quite a bit of weight).
By "hiccup" I mean it drops slightly (maybe an inch or an inch and a
half when observed at the end of the bottom links) and then quickly
corrects itself. The heavier the implement, (and to some extent, the
higher the engine RPMs,) the more frequently these corrections happen.

This doesn't make it unusable, but it's irritating, especially with a
heavy implement, to be bouncing like that all the time, and I suspect
it puts stress on the system that can't be good for the long run.

I've read the I&T manual's sections about hydraulic problems and most
of ZANE's (and others') postings on the subject, and I suspect the
master cylinder is leaking -- at least that's what I'll look for
first.

Other difference: I have a piston pump rather than a vane pump, and I
have a single-action hydraulic remote that runs to the front of the
tractor -- currently unused, probably used for a front-end loader or
something similar in the past. (I don't know whether that will
complicate the process of disassembling and repairing mine -- anyone
know?)

(I'm seriously considering getting one of ZANE's repair documents,
based on the praise I've read from other posters, but will wait until
I'm ready to start working on this.)

Do you know anything more than you've already posted about *your* problem yet?

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Polish Mike

10-06-2002 13:13:44




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 Re: Re: Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems? in reply to David Coe in MD, 10-04-2002 08:10:21  
Dave : In reference to the "hiccuping" - my Ford-New Holland parts guy told me to check the cam follower pin under the top cover for wear...it can be replaced with the shoulder piece of a grade 8 bolt (cut the head & threads off). Also told me to check the packing on the piston. I'm gonna take the cover off mine next weekend & see if I can cure mine of the "hiccups"



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Terry-N-Mo It must be an epidemic.

10-04-2002 16:53:42




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 Re: Re: Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems? in reply to David Coe in MD, 10-04-2002 08:10:21  
You described it perfectly. My Jubilee also has the hiccups. The heavier the weight or the higher the rpm`s makes it worse. I haven`t torn into mine yet. I was hopeing someone could come up with a sure cure so i will know exactly what needs to be fixed.



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Polish Mike

10-04-2002 11:13:12




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 Re: Re: Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems? in reply to David Coe in MD, 10-04-2002 08:10:21  
Dave : You wrote - "My lift drifts down when the power is off, and it "hiccups" continually (but works otherwise, and holds quite a bit of weight).
By "hiccup" I mean it drops slightly (maybe an inch or an inch and a half when observed at the end of the bottom links) and then quickly
corrects itself."
Mine does that too....I'd like to hear if anyone else had that problem, and what they did to correct it. Thanks, guys.

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Jim SPencer

10-04-2002 20:18:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems? in reply to Polish Mike, 10-04-2002 11:13:12  
The reason I asked to email me was I thought I may get some response from
someone.
When I go to the archives I read about lots of Hydraulic problems on
Jubilees and never have been able to find where the fix has been posted. I have the same problem Dave has and think I need to free up the (unloading
valve I.T. Manual) or as it is called in the Ford Service Shop Manual page
35(Bypass valve).
I did have a backpressure valve stuck open and fixed that, reassembled lift
cover to tractor and still had the problem. I have been a mechanical trouble
shooter all my life and generally if there is a problem it a single fix and not a
multiple problem.
I ordered the Parts Book as that shows exploded views of these valves and
will wait until I get it to remove lift cover again.
I will definately keep the forum informed with what I found to correct it. Does anyone have the C.D.'s with the manuals on them?.
Wish I had bought those for $35 before buying these other books then we
could send each other pictures by email.
I bought the operators manual, the I.T. Manual, The Ford shop service
manual and have ordered the Ford Parts Manual because it shows a lot of
exploded views of the valves that are not shown in any of the other manuals.
I may even buy the CD'S for $35. If I had bought those first I would have
saved myself a lot of money because they have all the manuals on the CD.
It seems no one with any knowledge will give us any help on the forum or
maybe they don't know but there have been so many hydraulic problems in the
archives and I can't believe the people who had them don't know what was the
cause of their problems.
I believe your problem is an internal leak. Either the piston seal or
something like that! The pressure has to be bleeding off to cause it to lower far enough to kick in the lift and cause the hiccup. When the lift gets raised to the position determined by the lift lever(the lever you control with your hand), the unloading valve also known as the bypass valve, automatically shifts and oil bypasses and dumps into the reservoir.
The lift is now held up just the same as if the tractor was shut off. The oil is trapped by the check valve and shifted bypass valve.
The pressure in the piston then starts leaking off and the lift starts lowering until the position of the lift and linkage causes the bypass valve to shift and raise the lift again. This will happen with the tractor setting running with no human interference. This process will continue to repeat until you shut the tractor down. You have a leak, probably in the cylinder. The leak could also be in the check valve.
Thanks for the response.
Jim

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Dave

10-04-2002 11:55:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems? in reply to Polish Mike, 10-04-2002 11:13:12  
I too have a Jubilee with hydraulic problems.
Rebuilt the pump,(piston type), adjusted linkage, installed new relief valve , and rebuilt the lift cylinder. The problem is that it will not lift any weight. Any ideas or help will be greatly appreciated.



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Jim SPencer

10-04-2002 13:44:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Does anyone have NAA Jubilee Hydraulic Problems? in reply to Dave, 10-04-2002 11:55:26  
The reason I asked to email me was I thought I may get some response from someone.
When I go to the archives I read about lots of Hydraulic problems on Jubilees and never have been able to find where the fix has been posted.
Dave, I have the same problem you have and think I need to free up the (unloading valve I.T. Manual) or as it is called in the Ford Service Shop Manual page 35(Bypass valve).
I did have a backpressure valve stuck open and fixed that, reassembled lift cover to tractor and still had the problem. I have been a mechanical trouble shooter all my life and generally if there is a problem it a single fix not multiple.
I ordered the Parts Book as that shows exploded views of these valves and will wait until I get it to remove lift cover again. I will definately keep this forum informed with what I found to correct it. Does anyone have the C.D.'s with the manuals on them.
Wish I had bought those for $35 before buying these other books then we could send each other pictures by email. I guess I will order the CD's anyway, the guy who told me he had them said they were great.
Jim

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