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Ken/Wa

12-30-2001 22:03:14




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I bought a new temp gauge and can not get the temp up to what the book says. My shutters are frozen, but I put a blanket over the front of the tractor. It is 50 some degrees here, but should get hotter. Is there a thermastat on the B, and if so, where is it?




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D13

01-02-2002 17:09:32




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 Re: 1952 B in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-30-2001 22:03:14  
Remove the hood. Disconnect the upper rad hose. Pull the two long bolts that hold the housing to the engine. Turn the housing over and remove the two bolts on the bottom. Now the bottom plate will come off the housing. Inside should be a spring holding a thermostat up against the top of the housing, at the water outlet.

Not there? None of the ones I have seen have them left. The parts are $26 at the local AGCO store. Be sure to clean the recess in the housing before setting in the thermostat and make sure the temperature sensing element points at the engine. Put it in, then the spring, then use the long bolts to align the plate and gasket while compressing the spring, then install the 2 lower bolts (with sealer). Don't forget to put a sealing washer on the long bolts when you reinstall them (AGCO can get them but they are pricey. I used them and some silicone sealer).

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Tom

01-01-2002 17:56:18




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 Re: 1952 B in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-30-2001 22:03:14  
I think the AC manuals say to have the enginesrun at least 170-180, 200 if using "tractor fuel", warmer is better. I like 190-200 for most of my engines.



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steve

01-01-2002 15:51:47




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 Re: 1952 B in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-30-2001 22:03:14  
i pulled the thermostat housing off my B today. broke both bolts off doing it. after removing the housing i rapped the bolts a few times and vice grips removed the last 1 inch. the two bolts go thru the water jacket and were rotted 1/2 way thru. looked in the thermostat housing and i have one, or what is left of one. thermostat drops in the hole and a 1.5 inch diameter spring holds it into position. my spring was rotten, the thermostat got cocked and tore the top plate off the thermostat. What a mess. I bought a 180 degree thermostat at Auto Zone and a 3 inch long spring at Farm Store and about ready to put it back together. Lots of crud found in the thermostat, housing and top of head cavity. Looks like a good place for rust deposits to set.

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Phil Johnson, Alberta, Canada

01-01-2002 13:28:08




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 Re: 1952 B in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-30-2001 22:03:14  
I have a '39 B and have had similar problems of running to cold (about 140 deg.). This can cause another problem in that the oil temperature doesn't get high enough to evaporate the condensation that forms in the crankcase. This condensation mixes with the oil and results in a creamy coffee colored mess. The moisture in the oil can cause bearing problems. I check mine regularly and change the oil often.

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Dale E.

01-02-2002 14:13:27




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 Re: Re: 1952 B in reply to Phil Johnson, Alberta, Canada, 01-01-2002 13:28:08  
Phil, Just guessing but are you using an oil with detergent? A non-detergent oil won't mix with the water as bad and seems to me to cook out the water better than with the detergent oils. May just be my imagination! Might be sure the breather on top of the valve cover is clean and in good shape (think thats where the moisture goes). Dale



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Dale E.

12-31-2001 13:11:17




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 Re: 1952 B in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-30-2001 22:03:14  
Ken, Thermostat goes in the same housing as the thermometer. I have not found one in any of the tractors I have transformed. Down here in south Mississippi there isn't much need for them in the warmer months. In the winter I use a feed sack in front of grill. They run much better at approx. 170-180 degrees. Dale



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steve

12-31-2001 07:18:27




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 Re: 1952 B in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-30-2001 22:03:14  
mine does the same thing. only gets to 140 degrees. i think Eric is right, must not be a thermostat inside. I planned on opening in a couple weeks to see. The top radiator hose connects to a large "block" on the top front of the engine, and the thermostat should be inside, in front of the temp probe.



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Eric Egland

12-31-2001 06:34:10




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 Re: 1952 B in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-30-2001 22:03:14  
Ken: thermostat housing is what you installed the new gauge into. remove hood and it should be obvious what needs to be done. Hood luck.



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