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8 volts instead of six?

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John Kauzlaric

04-18-2002 18:32:46




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Would using an eight volt battery instead of a six volt one hurt anything on a WD?




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Steve in N.J.

04-22-2002 19:16:02




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 Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to John Kauzlaric, 04-18-2002 18:32:46  
John,

I would stay with the six volt system. Changing to an 8 volt battery may be more problems than it's worth. If cranking power & reliability is what your looking for, & if your going to change things, opt for a 12V conversion. It's more money by the time yer' done, but it'll have a lot more reliability in the long run, and you won't have to tweak, adjust, change points & bulbs all the time, overpower the OEM switches,& wonder whether the battery has enough juice. A well tuned engine will spin right over and start on it's original six volt system. A good six volt battery should hang in service for quite a while providing the electrical system and it's components are in good working condition...

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dave

04-23-2002 03:51:38




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 Re: Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to Steve in N.J., 04-22-2002 19:16:02  
back in my younger years i had a 48 plymouth coupe. had six volt system, hard to start. i changed it to a 8 volt battery i do not remember having a problem with the charging, but man that dude would turn over. this fall had the same problem with a model g allis it acts like a different tractor. buy a battery with a good warranty and dont worry about it.



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Big Buck

04-21-2002 17:31:18




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 Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to John Kauzlaric, 04-18-2002 18:32:46  
Keep an extra set of points on hand, you'll need them. We have an 8 volt battery in a VAC Case with a 6 volt system. The only real problem is that it will burn up points faster than the old 6 volt battery. But on the other hand, it never runs out of cranking power.



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Tyler(WA)

04-19-2002 09:03:13




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 Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to John Kauzlaric, 04-18-2002 18:32:46  
Common answer. Works well and cranks better. You can adjust the regulator to charge at 8v.

Even if you changed from 6v pos. gnd. to 12v. neg. gnd., the starter would do fine as long as you didn't lay on it for too long. Light bulbs don't take that change well.



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Richardh

04-18-2002 18:44:03




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 Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to John Kauzlaric, 04-18-2002 18:32:46  
No u will have 2 set yr regulator a little higher 2 take care of the 2 volts



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Farmer Brown

04-19-2002 09:14:05




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 Re: Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to Richardh, 04-18-2002 18:44:03  
John, how do I set the regulator ? I have a 45 with an 8 volt battery. It seems to work fine. I don't know if the regulator has been adjusted or not.



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Bryan Smith

04-19-2002 13:36:54




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 Re: Re: Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to Farmer Brown, 04-19-2002 09:14:05  
OK, here goes - from many years of trying to use an 8 volt battery in a old willys jeep:

- You can just install the battery with no other changes. It will work ok, but the battery life will be shorter because the battery is never fully charged. Most 6 volt systems charged the battery up to 7 to 7.2 volts, which I'm sure is less than optimum for an 8 volt battery. 12 volt systems like 14 to 14.4 volts, so I'd guess the 8 volt likes something between these two.

- Your points and lights are likely to have a little shorter lifespan due to the higher voltage on the coil if you up the charging voltage ....

- If you have an external 6 volt regulator (read a separate box with 3 coils inside) you can bend the spring tab on the "A" coil (I think - it's been a while since I did this) *very* slightly to increase spring tension and thereby increase the voltage. Two cautions - (1) a very tiny change goes a looong way - use a voltmeter to see what you're getting , and check the voltage with the cover back on the regulator for a true reading (usually slightly less that you read with the cover off), and (2) don't increase it too much. Your generator may not like supplying that kind of voltage. A trip to the local auto electric repair shop for information may be in order here.

- If your AC tractor has the original 3 position light switch for charging I don't think there's anything you can do to increase the voltage. That resistor and the brush settings in the generator seem to set the charge rate. At least that's what I have been told by smarter people than me.

I went through all of this with my 1951 CA some years ago and finally decided to install a true 6 volt regulator (NAPA VR63, I believe - just be sure it's for 6 volt positive ground). Worth every penny. My 6 volt battery keeps charged and lasts 4 to 6 years now with only occaisional use (read it gets cranked about 6 times all winter and sees less than 50 hours of use each year). I really didn't want to go 12 volt on that tractor and still don't. I changed the 3 position charging light switch out for a generic regular light switch from NAPA, changed a few wires to hook it all up correctly and everything's great. I did have the starter re-worked. I thought it was dragging. The auto electric shop said it looked fine but they re-worked it anyway per my instructions and presto! it cranks much faster and better now.

And my willys jeep? It's 12 volt now - that 140 cubic inch L-head seems to be much harder to turn over than my CA's 125 cubic inch engine. Even with a ballast resistor it's burning points too often (twice a year) so I'm planning to install a Genesee Products wiring kit and electronic ignition on it this summer to cure that little problem ....!

Hope *all* that helps a little. I'm no expert on this, just interested in it. Try at your own risk - I don't guarantee or warranty any of this info. It's just what I've been through and done with some advice and help.

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Wayne R.

04-21-2002 20:35:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8 volts instead of six? in reply to Bryan Smith, 04-19-2002 13:36:54  
I believe a device called a cutout which is mounted on the generator controls the charge.
My original one seized up and nearly fryed the electrial system (wd45). My starter/generator shop
installed a solid state cutout which is adjustable
and they upped the charge since I have an 8 volt battery. Even though it works I'm not sure the battery is fully charged. I'm beginning to think
that a good heavy duty 6 volt battery may have
been a better choice.

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