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Andrew

10-03-2003 07:16:33

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Hello,
I was greasing a recently acquired Allis M crawler today. Don't have a manual as yet. Just want to ask what the procedure is with the four bottom rollers. I looked for grease nipples and then realised I could take take out the bolt / plug at the end of one and oily grease oozed out, which seemed OK. How are you meant to fill them and what with? Dumb questions I know! At least I know they're not dry.

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Andrew

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Andrew

10-08-2003 05:55:37

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Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Andrew, 10-03-2003 07:16:33

Thanks for your help fellows. I'll find those drain holes and try washing the brake compartment with petrol. I had a look at the front idler and it looks like someone has put a grease nipple in the plug.

Anyway, I'll let you know how I get on,

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Andrew

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stan

10-05-2003 23:58:00

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Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Andrew, 10-03-2003 07:16:33

To answer a couple of questions for you The break comparent drain holes are seen fron the rear looking straight in from the hitch area. The holes are probably pluged with dirt, as these holes should kept open to drain any thing that leaks into the break chamber. If you wash the stearing compartement with gas as the manual says to do these holes need to be pluged. The holes are 3/4 pipe, but you need to use a rag because there is not room for a plug to be screwed in. The bottom what looks like plugs are bolts that hold stearing clutch throw out bearing fork bottom retainer. On the rollers someone was correct you need a special fitting that is about 8" long that goes way into the roller to push old grease or oil out. I have one of these and would be glad to send you a drawing. The rollers when new take 90 wt. I use 80 140 same as I use in the trans. When they start to leak use a semifluid which works real good. If there is a grease fitting on the front idlers I would use caution because you take a chance of blowing out a seal. The front idlers use the same fitting as the rollers. I have around 10 M's they are a good tractor.I use mine in my weed adbatement discing business. Stan

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Rex (AZ)

10-04-2003 18:09:28

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Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Andrew, 10-03-2003 07:16:33

JS, when I bought mine I got another that has a cracked block.I was going to use it for parts. As it turned out I didnt need any parts from it. I sure would like a baker blade.

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JSinIL

10-05-2003 17:43:08

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Re: Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Rex (AZ), 10-04-2003 18:09:28

Hello

I bought mine and it came in pieces, it had been sandblasted and primered and then they let it sit. The undercariage is perfect, but the tracks are stuck solid. It came with two totally dissasembled motors one from a power unit. They both are 318 cube 4 cyl gas motors. The trans turns freely but the steering and brakes are stuck. I need basically every bearing, gasket and seal I can get. I need the brakes/clutches relined or replaced and of course the extras like a starter stc. is missing. The good news is that it is all there including every piece for a baker blade. I am to the point of either looking for a running wm and putting the baker blade on it and using what I have for parts, or selling the whole thing since I have a couple wd 45's and a HD6G loader allready and dont really need it (if you ask my wife that is)

If you know of any parts sources, that would be an immense help. If no motor parts are available I do have a motor plate fabbed up that lets me adapt a small block mopar v-8 to the tranny and that solves about half of the parts problems except for the steering clutches and brake bands/bearings etc..

My E-mail is sdreaper@yahoo.com If you have any solutions. dont want to hog up all the space.

Thanks again.

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JSinIL

10-04-2003 17:52:43

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Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Andrew, 10-03-2003 07:16:33

hello, little off topic, but where do you get parts for these crawlers? I have a wm with Baker blade that is in about 600 pieces. somebody was going to restore it but gave up. I have manuals, but nobody seems to have any parts (and I need lots of em)

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lee

10-06-2003 21:21:48

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Re: Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to JSinIL, 10-04-2003 17:52:43

Where are you located and what parts do you need?
I have 2 parts machines and have a few parts left over I am located in North Mn.

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Rex (AZ)

10-04-2003 15:59:00

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Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Andrew, 10-03-2003 07:16:33

I forgot to tell you that mine is an early 1939. there was some changes, this could account for mine haveing the same oil fittings on the front idler as it has on the track rollers.

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Rex(AZ)

10-04-2003 15:46:26

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Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Andrew, 10-03-2003 07:16:33

the two hex heads in the bottom of the stearing cluch/brake housing are bolts that hold the throwout bearing fork.the drain holes are near the side,threaded,are horizontal andpoint to the rear. the manual says these are to be left open,unless the tractor is operating in water/mud. The manual says to clean out this compartment by pluging these holes and putting gas through the inspection holes to within 3/4 inches of the top. Drive the crawler back and forth for a while then drain. this process could get some gas into the final drives, so when you are done the finals should be drained and refiled with 80/ 130 gear oil.

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Rex (AZ)

10-04-2003 03:41:13

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Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Andrew, 10-03-2003 07:16:33

Andrew, it takes a special pump and fitting,to pump heavy oil into the rollers and front idler. My M book is at the shop,If you need the oil weight I could post it later. When you grease the through out bearings for the trany clutch and the four stearing clutch bearings , remove the inspection covers and make sure grease in getting to the bearings. On my tractor two of the transfer tubes were split. I learned a lot replacing those tubes.If you email me I get that at my busness, I wont check there till monday.

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Andrew

10-04-2003 05:55:38

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Re: Re: 1937 Allis M crawler in reply to Rex (AZ), 10-04-2003 03:41:13

Thanks Rex,
I wondered whether it was supposed to be oil or grease. The fact that it was running out when I removed the plug seems good and that there's plenty there. The front idler has a grease nipple and I have just greased it.
I'll have another look at it.
I also have a problem with the right brake slipping and not working properly. Must have oil / grease on the lining? Have tried to wash the band in situ but no success yet. Is there any way to drain the brake compartment? The plugs underneath don't seem to want to come out. Assuming they are plugs and not some sort of other adjustment.

Sorry more dumb questions! Part of the learning curve.

Thanks

Andrew

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