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Hydraulic questions on a CA.

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HobbyFarmer71

10-18-2004 10:35:07




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My questions concern the hydraulics on an Allis Chalmers CA. My dad has a CA, and I'm looking at buying a CA for myself, so I am familiar with the CA, I asked him if he had an operators manual for his CA, not that he knew of, so I asked him if he knew what the operating pressure of the CA hydraulics was and his reply was 3500 psi, can anyone confirm that answer for me?? My next question is about the hydraulic port that comes out the back of the tractor on top of the platform near the lever that raises and lowers the factor 3-point on my dads CA anyhow, how does that hyd. port work?? The same lever that operates the 3-point?? I’m assuming that this port is a pressure out, gravity return operation, if this is the case, one route would be to put a breather on the one port of the cylinder, but does anyone know where I can find a small bore(low volume)/high pressure cylinder at a fair price, that I can use behind a CA?? Thank you in advance for all of your time and your help.

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pat s

10-19-2004 18:13:09




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to HobbyFarmer71, 10-18-2004 10:35:07  
Transmission dip stick has a mark on it and says check level with rams extended



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John (MO)

10-19-2004 09:33:50




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to HobbyFarmer71, 10-18-2004 10:35:07  
Early CA's were not snap coupler, they were pin hitch like the early WD's.

It was very easy to convert them to snap coupler and many many were. It is also pretty easy to convert a snap coupler to 3 point. New conversions cost about $300. to buy.

AC made a sort of wishbone 3 point conversion for the snap coupler tractors, but there was never a CA, WD or WD45 with factory 3 point.

It's not too difficult to make your own 3 point conversion for a snap coupler or even a pin hitch AC tractor, if you can weld and have the materials. If I remember correctly the CA uses the lift arms to hold the drawbar, they hang straight down when not in use to do this. I think Cross Manufacturing makes a good 3 point conversion for most AC tractors.

The AC high pressure low volume hydraulic system will power most smaller low pressure high volume hydraulic cylinders although maybe a little slowly. If you are careful and don't keep full pressure against a fully extended cylinder you should be able to use one with out much problem.

Many remote hydraulic couplings on older AC tractors had a simple shut off valve on them. This way if you are roading a piece of equipment you can extend the cylinder with the hydraulic pump and then shut the line and hold the pressure to the cylinder without having to let the pump continue to put high pressure against the cylinder. This was very handy and if you don't have a valve in the line so you can shut it off you should consider putting one in.

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acorange

10-18-2004 14:51:32




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to HobbyFarmer71, 10-18-2004 10:35:07  
You can do what I did on my WD. Put two ball valves in the hyd. lines that go to the lift arms
and shut them off when useing the remote hyd. port.
But if I remember correctly from "growing up" on my grandpa's CA the lift arms are pinned down when
not in use.



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JMS/MN

10-18-2004 10:57:48




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to HobbyFarmer71, 10-18-2004 10:35:07  
The CA had a high pressure, low volume system like the WD, WD45. Somewhere in the 32-3500 pound range is in the neighborhood, compared to the 15-1800 pound system of other tractors. Your tractor does not have a factory 3 point hitch. It is called a Snap-Coupler, and that does not refer to the latches on the lift arms- it refers to the bell-shaped housing under the center of the tractor that the pull bar of mounted implements gooks up to. I believe the hydraulic valve is like what is on a WD or WD45- it has three ports on it. Two go to two hydraulic cylinders that activate the lift arm, and a third one is available for a remote hydraulic coupler or for running the boom cylinders on a trip bucket loader. That third port is pressure only, activated by the hydraulic lever that raises the lift cylinders. Gravity down. With a one-way cylinder you do not need a breather port. With a two-way cylinder, you do. Find another cylinder from a CA, WD, WD45, etc. for a remote. AC also marketed remote cylinders for those tractors- they are not hard to find. Standard 8 inch stroke at the right pressure capacity.

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HobbyFarmer71

10-18-2004 11:12:49




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to JMS/MN, 10-18-2004 10:57:48  
Let me make a couple of comments, the CA I am looking at, does have a snap coupler, however my dad's CA does not have a snap coupler, and in order to put his factor 3 point on it, you have to remove the draw bar, use the front pin and use the rear cultivator lift arms to lift the factor 3 point. I will be back at his house this weekend, and I'll take a few pictures of his CA with a factor 3 point option and post them.

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JMS/MN

10-18-2004 10:59:36




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to JMS/MN, 10-18-2004 10:57:48  
HOOKS up to - not gooks. Everytime I proof-read before posting, I lose the whole message, so I'll just post a correction on a long post.



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HobbyFarmer71

10-18-2004 11:20:10




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to JMS/MN, 10-18-2004 10:59:36  
So dad was correct about it being a high pressure unit, approx, 3500 lbs, and the lever that operates the lift arms operates the extra port also. One more quick question, if the two lift rams are extended, and a third ram is extended, will I have used up enough of the hydraulic fluid that could damage the tractor after long periods of operation, road travel for example???



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JMS/MN

10-19-2004 13:32:52




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 Re: Hydraulic questions on a CA. in reply to HobbyFarmer71, 10-18-2004 11:20:10  
All three ports are energized (hydraulicized?- now, there's a fun word) at the same time because they are drilled in a common passage. Regarding hydraulic capacity, you need to check system volume vs capacity of the cylinders you are using, and allow for some reserve. Usage would dictate required reserve capacity regarding to cooling capacity. Simply said, usage builds up heat in the oil, so if you cycle often, you need more cooling/reserve capacity. Other poster had a good idea with ball valves to shut off lines to the unused cylinders. If you shut them off before extending them, the reserve capacity stays in the tractor to run your remote.

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