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Alternator on D17??

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All-is Well

12-17-2006 07:34:13




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I would like to install a Delco Alternator on a 57 D17 Allis. Any advice on wiring it up? It would have a self contained regulator so I would like to by-pass the existing regulator.Thanks and Merry Christmas.




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tim[in]

12-19-2006 10:08:32




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to All-is Well, 12-17-2006 07:34:13  
thanks guys. I'm getting ready to re do the wiring on my wd and d17 and am tired of fighting the old system. i am going to negative ground for the symplicity too. i know some guys use the two wire system and others like the one wire. not too sure which one i will use. my diagnostic skills arent the best so i nee to keep is simple easy but mostly reliable. and i deeply appreciate these kind of posts.

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Kent of SW MO

12-20-2006 05:53:34




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to tim[in], 12-19-2006 10:08:32  
Tim,

The one wire alternators do not work well on slow speed engine like tractors.

Kent



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tim[in[

12-20-2006 09:31:30




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to Kent of SW MO, 12-20-2006 05:53:34  
so the alternato you guys are talking about is the three wire or two wire system. i know it takes a different alternator for the multi wire system. thanks in advance!



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Kent of SW MO

12-21-2006 05:45:00




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to tim[in[, 12-20-2006 09:31:30  
Use the three wire internal regulated Delco. This is the unit I used when I converted our CII Gleaners. Two for Dad, one for me, One for an uncle, and one for the brother-in-law.

Kent



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Kent of SW MO

12-19-2006 06:56:31




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to All-is Well, 12-17-2006 07:34:13  
The only problem I have with the way you guy wire the regulator plug on the internal regulated Delco's is connecting the red wire of the regulator plug to the output terminal of the alternator. Yes it will wotk that way BUT, that post electrically IS NOT the same point as the battery post where I connect mine. Whe the alternator is charging the post on the alternator will be a few tenths of a volt higher than the battery post because of voltage drop in the wire and ampmeter. Not a lot but it can affect the charging of the battery. Yes I also know on later GM car this was wire the way you are doing the wiring. I may be a little picky but this is the way I do it. Red wire from the regulator plug to the battery side of the starter switch or soleniod.

Kent

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All-is Well

12-17-2006 14:20:47




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to All-is Well, 12-17-2006 07:34:13  
Thanks for the great information. I appreciate all the great visuals and information. Thanks



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John T

12-17-2006 12:42:45




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to All-is Well, 12-17-2006 07:34:13  
Heres how I wire a GM 10SI Alternator and remember, it requires NEGATIVE GROUND !!!!! !

The big rear main alternator output terminal goes to the wire that used to be connected to the BAT terminal on the Voltage Regulator or Cutout Relay. HOWEVER if that wire wasnt already upgraded, when I convert from a Genny to an Alternator, I replace that wire with a 10 Gauge and it runs from the alternators main output up to the LOAD (NOT to battery/starter) side of the ammeter. I also replace/use 10 Gauge from the ammeters other SUPPLY terminal to the battery/starter.

The little side number 2F Voltage Sense Terminal gets connected (use a short 14 jumper wire) right up to to and with the big main output terminal mentioned above.

For the little 1R side Excitation Terminal, run a 16 or so gauge wire from the ignition switches IGN (which is HOT ONLY when ignition is turned on) terminal and in series with it place a 10 ohm 5 watt current limiting protection resistor (dont really need that much wattage power rating, but they are heavy duty built and easy to wire). Then in the rare event the tractor continues to run cuz of alternator backfeed when the ignition is switched OFF, I add in series a 5 amp 50 PIV minimum Diode. The diode must be wired with negative cathode end to the alternator and positive anode end to the switch. Again, the ratings are not that exact but about any diode over a few amps and 50 volts or so works.

Dont forget to change the battery to negative ground and the coil needs to be wired so the negative goes to ground via the distributor points and the positive gets power from the ignition switch and you have to reverse ammeter leads also if your just now changing polarities.

Good luck Ol John T in Indiana

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Bob

12-17-2006 08:28:30




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to All-is Well, 12-17-2006 07:34:13  
Here's a simple way to install an alternator.

An "idiot light" with a #194 lamp, or equivalent, is a direct substitute for the diode, if desired.

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old

12-17-2006 08:24:08




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to All-is Well, 12-17-2006 07:34:13  
There easy to wire up. The wire from the big post goes to the battery side of the soliniod. The #2 wire goes to the big post on the alterntor and the #1 wire goes to the ignition switch with either a diode or small light bulg in line so you can shut the engine down. With out the diode or lite the alternator will back feed the coil and you can't turn off the tractor in most cases

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Gerald J.

12-17-2006 14:17:19




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to old, 12-17-2006 08:24:08  
And if you wire it that way, the ammeter won't show any charge, only discharge.

Gerald J.



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old

12-17-2006 16:12:59




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to Gerald J., 12-17-2006 14:17:19  
That all depends on how the rest of it is wired up. The amp meter should have a wire going to the soliniod battery side and then a wire from there goes to the ignition switch so it will work as I said if the other things are wired correctly



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Gerald J.

12-17-2006 20:58:13




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to old, 12-17-2006 16:12:59  
No it won't. That solenoid terminal is the battery. That puts the charging current diretly to the battery bypassing the ammeter. For the ammeter to show the net charging currrent the ammeter has to be wired with its negative terminal to the battery at the solenoid and ALL electrical loads (ignitionns, lights, etc,) AND the alternator to the positive terminal. Any other circuit leaves the ammeter out of the circuit and it reads wrong, if at all.

Gerald J.

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old

12-18-2006 08:31:50




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to Gerald J., 12-17-2006 20:58:13  
I'll fill in one of the blanks for you also. If you hook the amp guage wire to the soliniod terminal and then to the ignition swithc it works just as it should.



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old

12-18-2006 08:20:48




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 Re: Alternator on D17?? in reply to Gerald J., 12-17-2006 20:58:13  
Funny if it doesn't work then I have ALL my tractors wired wrong and ALL of them have working amp gauges. If you read what John T says you will see he says the same thing as I do but he also adds/fills in the blanks I have left out.



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