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Why do people not fix things right??

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old

05-28-2007 19:30:55




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Been working on this D-17 for the last few days and today I found the draw bar was on wrong as in under the cross piece and also the bolts have the nuts welded onto them. So now I get to cut the nuts off and replace them and put the draw bar on top instead of under the cross bar. Also some one welded a grader edge to the draw bar which I will also have to cut off. Sure isn't going to be east to fix up a 3 point on it because of that stuff. Oh well guess thats just part of playing with these old tractors

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Goose

06-22-2007 18:49:58




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
I walked past my dear old farmer father's family car one day and saw about an inch of a 3/16" stove bolt sticking out of the top above the windshield.

I investigated. One of the three sheet metal screws holding the sun visor in place had stripped out, and instead of putting the next size larger sheet metal screw in, he just drilled through and put a stove bolt through. Then didn't bother to cut the excess off.

I'm living on the family farm now, and even though Dad's been gone 22 years I'm still finding stuff you wouldn't believe.

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Don Jaster

06-04-2007 07:03:02




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
and the most obvious reason for many things you find
"hack saws and arc welders were invented to make up for engineers mistakes"



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BDT in Minnesota

05-31-2007 14:15:41




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
Hay Old,,,,,I heard about that guy...The story goes that when he was going to Shade Tree School, a sudden windstorm came up, and the tree fell on him...He was never the same after that...



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Gary in Mozarks

05-31-2007 05:28:32




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 what is right? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
What is right? You ever hear the old story about a clean house? If you want it cleaner than me, you are a fanatic, if you don't want it as clean as me, you are a slob. Whatever I like is just right. I think you guys are being kinda hard on the earlier generation. I once bent a drawbar trying to pull a 10 ton dozer out of a ditch. If I had a blade section to weld on it then, I probably would have. Reminds me of a restorer complaining about a tractor he was doing being painted with a brush. If it hadn't been for that paint, he would have been dealing with rust instead of old paint. When something failed during a harvest, he had three options, get it through the day, get it through the harvest or get it fixed like new. Time and money constraints were always present, He wasn't fixing it for a plaything. Sure, fabrication might not have been his forte, he was a farmer, not a toolmaker, and it was his tractor, to do with as he saw fit, so he got it done. He wasn't concerned about the 5th owner down the line who wanted to restore it. Just my 2 cents

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Gary in Mozarks

05-31-2007 08:25:57




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 Re: what is right? in reply to Gary in Mozarks , 05-31-2007 05:28:32  
impossible to know, maybe he heard a rumor they wern't strong enough and he wasn't taking any chances LOL



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old

05-31-2007 06:48:29




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 Re: what is right? in reply to Gary in Mozarks , 05-31-2007 05:28:32  
But the draw bar wasn't/isn't bent so that grader blade on it wasn't needed for any thing.



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tim[in]

06-01-2007 14:18:00




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 Re: what is right? in reply to old, 05-31-2007 06:48:29  
he might have heard about other guys having problems with theirs and reinforced it so it wouldnt break or bend when he needed it. it's called preventative maintenance. i've thought about doubling mine somehow so i could get a hesston 10 stackhand when i go back to raising hay.



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old

06-01-2007 20:37:39




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 Re: what is right? in reply to tim[in], 06-01-2007 14:18:00  
This would not have been all that bad but who ever did it left a good 1/2-1 inhc on one side and a 1/4-1/2 inch on the other side so it could not be changed easy. So I cut it off and all is well now



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JMS/MN

05-30-2007 22:37:15




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
The bail on the WD, WD45, D17, etc, had several holes that it could be set to, to adjust the drawbar height for pto and pulling work. The two drawbar pieces could be set either over or under the bail to provide more options- especially for older equipment that had pto shafts mounted at other than standard dimensions. As far as the other mods- that's just what some people do..... ....and then they show up at consignment sales!

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old

05-31-2007 04:33:03




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to JMS/MN, 05-30-2007 22:37:15  
I understand the over or under but the grader blade edge welded to it I don't understand. I figured I would find a brake in the draw bar when I removed the grader blade of it but no crack so I have yet to figure that part out.



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John (MO)

05-31-2007 07:46:45




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-31-2007 04:33:03  
Maybe he broke or bent the 2 drawbars he had before he got the one you are looking at. In that case, he was just trying to prevent a third one going to the scrap pile. Don't call in the correct police, they might find some of your own work to be not quite up to factory standards. LOL



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souNdguy

05-31-2007 07:22:03




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-31-2007 04:33:03  
Check that drawbar out real good.. it might have had a break that was welded up al the way around. then ground back near perfect and is hard to see. Farmer then mighta welded the blad section on as a stiffener so it wouldn't break again. I've see that sort of thing..

I agree witht he others.. it was probably a 'cheap' fix to get by with.

when I got my 2n.. half the nuts were welded on as the bolts were all rusted out. I found more brazing and welding on that tractor as i sanded it..

Soundguy

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02XLT4X4

05-29-2007 17:21:02




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
Not everybody was worried about their machine being expo quality thru the years, if it worked it worked, if it didn't it didn't and was "fixed" until it did. Some also got tired of throwing incorrectly designed parts on something and decided to improve on it. Not everything was/is perfect out of the box, somethings need some tweaking.



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cadet trooper

05-29-2007 15:59:59




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
As a dealer we once brazed an arm extention on a 5050AC clutch arm for a Viet Nam vet because he lost a leg from diabetes caused by Agent Orange now he is deceased. We had him sign all kinds of waivers of which AC said was not good enough. Would I do it again? You're Damn right!



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Pair-a-dice farm

05-29-2007 15:43:59




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
I've heard that saying all of my life but just a little different, Poe folks gots poe ways."

I think things should be repaired right if at all possible but economics and time restraints some times say different and as I get older I sometimes forget what I jiggrigged. However I have seen some "incorrect" modifications work better than factory made, that's how progress is made.



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patsublett

05-29-2007 15:24:23




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
Its sort of a disease plaguing or country, goes along with laziness and lack of integrity. A body that would weld something that should be screwed or replaced would stomp baby chickens and pull up green corn.



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Claus

05-29-2007 08:45:45




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
As far as the drawbar goes, that"s not really wrong. Owner"s manual of my 1964 Series III shows it mounted that way, like you I like it the other way. Puts more traction on tractor.



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Rock_Picker

05-29-2007 07:51:43




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
My Grandfather was a farmer and notorious in the neighborhood for tying things together with baling wire ---- he kept wire hanging on fence posts for in-the-field fixes. I often giggle and grumble about me being the only person in SW MO with any tools -- I often get an implement or tractor that has been really butchered up. But----- - As I get older, I find myself taking shortcuts (saying I'll fix it right later) --- So just relax and enjoy the moment..... .....RP

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Texas Denny

05-29-2007 07:14:04




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
Mounting the drawbar under the support was commonly done when these tractors came out. It was the easiest way to make a quick drop - at least in the view of some. It was the only adjustment for drawbar height on the WC. In fact our WC's were among the first styled WC's. In order to install a PTO, the drawbar had to be clamped under the support. Later WC's permitted the PTO to be installed at all times with the drawbar on top (like my 1947).

Welders are great devices but a lot of people own them that shouldn't. I once had a WD that someone welded a bunch of stuff to the operator platform on the back. Was that hell getting off! And another WD, the owner stripped the bolts on the 3 bolt support in the front for the wide front. Rather than doing a helicoil, he just shoved the bolts in and tried to weld the plate to the steering box.

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730virgil

05-30-2007 20:42:26




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to Texas Denny, 05-29-2007 07:14:04  
some bozo welded hubs to axle on my john deere a.
what to heck do some people think about? a friend of mine barrowed 1066 from a neighbor that chained the front end on so it wouldn't fall off. dangerous you bet then to loan to someone else is law suit waiting to happen. some people should farm with a shovel and hoe to protect the rest of the world.



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Jim in NC

05-29-2007 05:02:24




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to old, 05-28-2007 19:30:55  
One could say that someone did not know the correct way to fix it and did not want to take the time to find out how to do it right. Or it could be that one was making do with what they had on hand at the time and needed it in a pinch hoping to fix it right later. Someone else other than the owner could have patched it up or it just could be from laziness. I suspect it is one or a combination of these reasons. We all have probably done things like this in our lifetime. In today's world of instamt gratification, it can be easy to submit to it.

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Dick L

05-29-2007 07:01:24




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to Jim in NC, 05-29-2007 05:02:24  
Yall would get a kick out of some of the tractors I have bought and the stuff welded to them. I buy the tractors giggling and knowing that some people should never have the use of a welder. Unless they are in the making of yard art which becomes a high value item. (:^D



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Ken Macfarlane

05-29-2007 07:05:43




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to Dick L, 05-29-2007 07:01:24  
Neighbour farmer had a ih584 that the shift rod broke on during haying. Local tractor fixit guy was brought in and said he'd have to order the part and take the cover off to get it in. Farmer says we need the tractor today, weld it back on. Fix it guy says thats gonna bugger the rod so I can't get the cover off without taking the cab off her, farmer says to weld it up. Never shifted right the next 10 years of running the tractor but wouldn't get it fixed proper.

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Matt L

05-29-2007 08:05:01




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 Re: Why do people not fix things right?? in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 05-29-2007 07:05:43  
I heard this saying after the old guy bought my '57 D500 dump truck


"Poor people have poor ways"



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