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a/c 615 loader deisel fuel in crankcase

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Artie NY

06-10-2007 07:08:20




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Hi,
I have fuel getting into the crankcase of the 2200 engine after about 15 minutes of run time. it fills the crankcase so much it blows out every opening. Othere than the fuel filling the crankcase it runs fine which leads me to belive it is not a injector problem.
I thought it may be a lift pump diafram but I do not have one. it has a Roosa Master DBGFC 437- injector pump running off a gear/pully.
Could it be comming out of a seal in this pump and into the crankcase via the gear/pully housing?
If so where would I get the seal kit from?

Thank you.

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LilFarmer

06-10-2007 18:33:28




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 Re: a/c 615 loader deisel fuel in crankcase in reply to Artie NY, 06-10-2007 07:08:20  
There are two seals on the pump drive shaft. The seals come out with the drive shaft. The shaft and gear can be removed from the front of the motor if there is room between the cover and radiator. You will need about eight inches of room directly in front of the pump. Not sure on the 615 but the loader frame work may be a big hindrance to working there.

If you decide to tackle it your self, take the little cover off the side of the pump (shut off fuel first) and rotate the motor by hand to line up the timing marks in the pump. Pull the small front cover plate (Watch for spring and plunger in shaft), Pull the shaft and gear out by hand and before rotating or turning it, look for a dot or dimple in the blade (inner) end of the shaft. The shaft can go back in in two different positions so make sure you know what position the dot is in (Up, Down, Right or Left). The seals will be on the shaft and can be purchased from any Oliver, AC, Agco, or Deere dealer. They have all used these pumps sometime in the past. Take the old ones with you, if the parts man knows his stuff he won't even look up the numbers.

These can be a real bear to reinstall because there is no room to work and even less room to see. The seals go on the shaft with the lips towards their respective ends of the shaft and opposing each other. It is very easy to roll the first seal over backwards and ruin it. Oil it up with some motor oil before installing. . Make sure the dot on the end of the shaft is in the same relative position as when taken out. When all the way in the marks in the pump window should be lined up. If not, then pull it out again and use a screwdriver to turn the pump and reinstall till right. Clean Hands, Clean Tools, and a Clean Environment are escenstial to success.

You can also pull the pump and accomplish the same thing.

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Artie NY

06-11-2007 15:58:58




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 Re: a/c 615 loader deisel fuel in crankcase in reply to LilFarmer, 06-10-2007 18:33:28  
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Artie NY

06-11-2007 13:10:41




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 Re: a/c 615 loader deisel fuel in crankcase in reply to LilFarmer, 06-10-2007 18:33:28  
LilFarmer
Thank you for the info.
Can I pull the pump off the engine housing [the two studs holding the pump on] without having to take the housing cover off?
will the gear/pully that is connected to the pump in the housing fall?
I ask because it is close to impossible to get to the front side of the engine housing cover to unbolt.

Thanks



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LilFarmer

06-11-2007 17:06:27




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 Re: a/c 615 loader deisel fuel in crankcase in reply to Artie NY, 06-11-2007 13:10:41  
Artie,

Yes you can. The gear will not fall nor will it get out of time. You still want to get the pump marks lined up before you pull the pump. Also unhook both ends of injector lines and all clamps so they are free to move out of the way. They can be a real bear to get back in place if they get bent or sprung. I see it is not turbocharged so there is no turbo drain line to interfere with pulling the pump. You might want to take a good look at the bushing in the pump while it is off. If it has some deep grooves in it where the seals run you might want to take it to an injection shop and have the bushing replaced. They will want to rebuild the whole thing, but if it is running good you may not want to spend the extra money, the choice is yours, as it could fail in the next 100 hours.

Still have to be carefull with the seal so you don't roll it backwards. Just take your time with reassembly and use a small screwdriver or feeler gauge to kind of help the seal back in place. There will be an O-ring around the nose of the pump to seal it to the case. Replace that too and you should be good to go.

Good luck, it's not a bad job, just tedious.

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LilFarmer

06-11-2007 17:13:02




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 Re: a/c 615 loader deisel fuel in crankcase in reply to LilFarmer, 06-11-2007 17:06:27  
Artie,

One more thing----get new sealing washers for the injector lines at the pump end. They are not expensive and will insure you have no high pressure leaks when done.



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JMS/MN

06-10-2007 10:13:53




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 Re: a/c 615 loader deisel fuel in crankcase in reply to Artie NY, 06-10-2007 07:08:20  
Do not run the engine- you can ruin it. Likely that the fuel is getting in through the pump. It can fill the crankcase to a certain level, and not go higher- because the fuel/oil is being burned off, thus you have a higher concentration of fuel than just adding some raw fuel to the case. Lubrication is zilch under those circumstances.



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