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d-17 or farmall super m

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arthur ward

07-12-2007 15:58:10




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just wanted to know which would win in a pull off. also which is better on gas and availability and price for parts.
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jiffy

07-19-2007 18:42:35




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 Re: international super m [pto] in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
i got a 1953 super m with a reguler pto can i change it to a live pto.

thanks jeff d



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Smith1000

07-14-2007 04:42:59




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
I have a D17 and a Super MTA. I have only had the Allis about 5 or 6 weeks. It was not running when I brought it home. I have had the SMTA for 18 years. The D17 is running good now. The SMTA has always been a good running tractor and always starts easy, etc.

I like both of these tractors, but the SMTA is more of a tractor to me. It has good power, live hydraulics, live power and has had power steering added. I can operate 2-way hydraulics with the SMTA, but not the Allis (only 1 way).

The Allis is probably easier to handle, easier to get on and off of, etc. It has a wide front end and power steering. It seems quite a bit smaller which makes it easy to manuver and it has good power-similar to the SMTA. The Allis feels safer to me than the SMTA, but they are probably about the same. The SMTA has a narrow front-end.

Not sure about parts for either one. I have bought very few for the SMTA through the years except for tune up type stuff. I haven"t had to buy many parts for the D17 so far, mostly tune up stuff. Parts are probably about the same as far as ease of obtaining. Not sure about price-probably about the same.

The D17 has done great on gas so far. So good that it prompted me to tune up the SMTA some. I have cut quite a bit of hay on 5 gallons of gas and still have some left. Kind of surprised about how good the D17 is doing on gas.

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Flewster

07-13-2007 11:28:28




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
Your 1958 D17 is a series 1. series 4 was not made till 1964 or so.....



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arthur ward

07-13-2007 05:52:41




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
oh, what about parts availability between the super m and the wd45 then. which is more collectible and what is the worth of these two completely restored. the reason i ask is it always seems that the allis is pricier to purchase. thanks



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John (MO)

07-13-2007 12:31:21




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-13-2007 05:52:41  
Neither tractor is rare at all, so fully restored ones don`t bring big bucks. Of course there will always be people who pay crazy prices to get 1 particular item that is exactly what they want for one reason or another. You can sink at least 3 times as much money into restoring one than you will ever get out of it, unless you happen to run across one of the afore mentioned individuals. Very good examples of either tractor can be found in the neighborhood of $3000, and just good working ones are about half that.

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arthur ward

07-13-2007 14:18:43




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to John (MO), 07-13-2007 12:31:21  
thanks john. i'll keep this all in mind. locally there is a redone super m narrow front and a allis c restored. $2600 for the m and $2500 for the allis c. i'll think about it but i have to have a 3 point hook up.



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John (MO)

07-16-2007 06:37:11




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-13-2007 14:18:43  
Sounds like a load for a AC C to me. I don't have a clue about the farmall. Some people seem to like the little AC Bs and Cs, but I don't value them much because they don't have hydraulics or the snap coupler hitch. Nice size to pull a wagon in a parade though if that's all you need them to do. I guess they were popular with vegatable farmers back when they were new, but in crop and cattle country the WC was far far more popular. I don't ever recall seeing a B or C as a kid and other ACs were all over the place. Every little town had an AC dealer.

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JOHN HARMON

07-12-2007 20:02:50




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
Never had a Super M but did have a D17 Gas which I used with a Ford Mounted Corn Picker in the early 70's. It did a super job with the Picker. Also used it on a Short Hopper Fox Blower to fill two 18'X46" Stave Silos with Haylage in the summer and Corn Silage in the fall. It was a Beast on the Blower. Man it would throw all the Wagons could put into the Blower Hopper. I never used it for too many pulling jobs as I had a 190 Gas for those Jobs,plus used the 190 on a one Row Fox Chopper which it handled real well.

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old

07-12-2007 19:55:40




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
Well the D-17 is around 52HP and the Super M is 46HP so the D-17 should/will out pull the SM. But again your compareing apples to oranges and each has its good points and its bad points.



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Jack a

07-13-2007 04:25:01




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to old, 07-12-2007 19:55:40  
If you were to compare apples to apples then a WD45 would make a better comparison to a Super M. He wasn't asking about a 45 though. For the record a 45 with a mounted plow out works a Super M and for that matter most any other tractor in it's class. Yes without weights or fluid a SM is heavier but weighted equal the 45 is tough to beat. Could tell several stories involving a 45 vs say a JD 60 or even 70 or SM but that kind of discussion belongs over at the political board.

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low budget

07-12-2007 18:20:45




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
Dont know about a Super M, but we had a SuperWD6 and a D17 Diesel on the farm when I grew up.(Well maybe I never have grown up) If all you were concerned about was pulling power, the WD6 would win hands down. I'm pretty sure the WD6 was heavier however. (both had loaded tires but no added cast weights, and the WD6 had larger tires) The D17 had all the nice features like live power, power steering,8 speeds vs 5, etc. and was a heck of a tractor on the blower. Both were good on fuel, of course they were diesels.

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Jack a

07-12-2007 17:28:39




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
D17 easy. Handles better too. The Super M is too front heavy and will get stuck much easier and the governor is a dog compared to the D17.



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Wisconsin Cowman

07-12-2007 17:05:03




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
I would go with the D-17 good on gas. It would out pull a Super M. We had a D-17 and it would out pull our SMTA no problem. The D-17 has a lot of torque for that size of a tractor. When we had the D-17 my grandpa would take it to the local tractor pull. He’s has 25 first place trophy’s that he won. He sold the tractor 6 years before I took over. Would be nice to find another one there is one for sale in a local paper I may end up buying it have to look at it first. The D-17 my grandpa had out did the neighbors John Deere 3010 on the blower. Also the D-17 has live power too with the hand clutch. You can parts at you Agco dealer or there is aftermarket places to.

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william myers

07-12-2007 17:04:09




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 15:58:10  
I have had both tractors, the d-17 wins hands down...



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80demoace

07-13-2007 08:04:59




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to william myers, 07-12-2007 17:04:09  
I could pull a plug wire off my M and still drag my WD45 and D-17 II around at the same time. Sorry to disagree with you guys, I love my allis tractors but the M has a LOT more torque and weight. HP doesn't mean a lot.



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ohio

07-13-2007 13:59:39




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to 80demoace, 07-13-2007 08:04:59  
weighted equal, yer crazy. besides, with amounted plow, acres per day is way higher on the wd.



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arthur ward

07-12-2007 21:39:58




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to william myers, 07-12-2007 17:04:09  
ok, but what about current value. both tractors restored to original condition. i know that the allis was twice the price new back in the day but what about now with each being restored?



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old

07-12-2007 21:55:13




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to arthur ward, 07-12-2007 21:39:58  
Price depends on what series the D-17 is. If a series 1 its low if a series 4 its high. So price for each can be about the same or the allis can be higher



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morrish

07-13-2007 11:08:07




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to old, 07-12-2007 21:55:13  
off topic a bit, my apologies...i just acquired an A-C D17...serial is D17 9717 which from what i can tell makes it a 1958...i'm still trying to determine the "series"...i see 4459-4 on the engine block...does this make it a series 4?...as a side note it's fuel is LP....i'm trying to nail this down so i can get a good service manual.

thanks in advance,
M



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old

07-13-2007 11:35:17




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to morrish, 07-13-2007 11:08:07  
A 1958 year model would be a series one I think or maybe an early series two



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arthur ward

07-13-2007 08:27:59




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 Re: d-17 or farmall super m in reply to old, 07-12-2007 21:55:13  
ok, i thank you all for that info. we never had a allis on the farm growing up. just a H's.
somethin about them allis chalmers...maybe its the color or the fact that they were made right here in wisconsin.
thanks again.



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