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Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow?

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Andrew Wert

11-25-2007 04:42:27




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I am going to look at a A-C 4bt-18in semimount plow this week, have never heard much about A-C plows. Did they make a well-built unit?
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Jack a

11-28-2007 03:45:43




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
The 2000 plow is an excellent plow and heavy built with lots of clearance. Make sure, as with any plow, that it is level front to back and side to side when it is in the ground. Start with the furrow side up higher before you go in or it won't go in the ground. It will pull lighter than a JD and cover just as well. I used to have a Deere plow and when I got the 2000 it had one more bottom than the Deere and pulled easier.

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no1farmboy1

11-27-2007 17:46:03




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
we have a a/c 5-14 semi mount snap coupler plow that will roll central indiana clay with a d 19 just the same as the jd 4-14 s/m on the 730, and oliver 5-14 s/m on an g950 or 4450 jd it just pulls a bit harder on the hills.. the secret has always been to adjust it so the bottoms are level. if the point is up or down even an inch or so it rides out of the furrow..



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ohio

11-27-2007 17:00:15




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
Any plow is good if it's adjusted right.

Olivers (later white) are the most desirable, but allis or deeres were just as good, and for that matter, most brands were.



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ohio

11-27-2007 16:59:58




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
Any plow is good if it's adjusted right.

Olivers (later white) are the most desirable, but allis or deeres were just as good, and for that matter, most brands were.



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Andrew Wert

11-27-2007 15:43:50




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
I've found out that the plow is a model 2000, made I think around 1968. Will go look at it tomorrow, hopefully it will be in good shape.
Thanks for all the replies.



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wgm

11-26-2007 18:11:13




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
Find an Oliver plow.



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1206SWMO

11-26-2007 11:59:55




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
I used to have a mid 1970's 6x16 AC semi mounted plow and it did a good job for me.



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DARDAN

11-26-2007 08:17:15




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
When I bought my '52 WD 27 years ago it came with a set of #52 ( I think)3-14 non snap plows. They do a decent job in loam and sod, but they don't do well on dry clay ridges. Which may be because the full fitted shares are tired. I've pulled 4 th gear in sod loam, had to try it, but on some of the clay ridges will make 1st grunt.

I've never heard may nice things said about AC plows, but I am satisfied with mine.

Be even more satisfied if I could find new points for it.

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DiyDave

11-25-2007 17:29:35




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
I never liked the semi-mounts, cause of the hills around here. We had a D-19D with a 4-16 semi, and it would get stuck in the valleys, and would ride out at the hilltops. We did better with a D-14 and a mounted 3-14, but sometimes in sod, on hills, if you were plowing uphill, the furrows would unzip(roll back over)was kinda irritatin till I put the right cover boards on to stop it. Reminds me of the story about the drunk farmer who set down backwards on his tractor, and unplowed 20 acres, before he realized it!

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Harry J. Case

11-25-2007 17:05:37




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
Speaking of plows..... How about those Olivers.
Knew a feller once up in Chartion County Mo. that was torn between a new John Deere with a five bottom plow or a new Oliver and five bottom plow. He wound up buying the John Deere tractor and the Oliver plow. The J.D. wouldn't pull the five bottom J.D. plow in the soil in that area but did ok pulling the Oliver plow. Anwered the question as to why an 1800 could get away with pulling six sixteens. Harry Case, Allis, Moline nut

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Goose

11-25-2007 10:14:44




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
Haven't had much experience with Allis plows, but I had a JD 4-14 that worked great behind an 856 Farmall. Then I stopped using a moldboard plow altogether and just used a chisel plow.

I don't want to start a war, but I had two bachelor uncles who were such John Deere freaks that to them it was totally unthinkable to have ANY piece of machiner that wasn't JD. They wouldn't even own any aftermarket. If John Deere didn't make it, they wouldn't own it.

For that reason, my father absolutely refused to own any JD machinery. I'm neutral. I owned a couple of JD combines, the 4-14 plow, and I still own a #5 mower.

My uncles did custom corn shelling,(With a JD sheller)and one time they were shelling for our neighbor, "Art". Art had all Oliver tractors. His son-in-law, Carl, showed up with a Massey 44. When the sheller was shut down and it was quiet enough to converse, Carl yelled, "Hey Art, do you know why they paint Olivers green?"

Of course Art said, "No". Carl replied, "So you can hide them in the weeds while a good tractor goes by".

Since John Deere's are green, my uncles were so mad I think they were about ready to pack up their sheller and go home.

I know it's long, but I just HAD to tell that.

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Texas Denny

11-25-2007 15:33:56




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Goose, 11-25-2007 10:14:44  
Great story!



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Texas Denny

11-25-2007 07:10:32




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
Allis made a lot of different plows over the years. The early plows were fairly lightly built. The first mounted plows worked fine in most soils but they were finicky about adjustment and setup. Some of them needed the rear bottom to go in the ground first - this resulted in uneven headlands. Some of the later plows from the 60's and later were very heavy and well built. I have a 4-16 semi mount that must weigh about 2000#. I don't think the soil exists to keep it out of the ground. It is sturdy.

Early Allis plow lathes didn't scour as well as some others. We found that Oliver made the best for scouring back in the 50's and 60's. I would think that modern plows are pretty similar in this regard - no one perpetuates an inferior design.

You are looking at 4-18 which means it is a fairly new plow since that size became available later. I would think a good visual would tell you if the trip bottoms had been used excessively. Check the wear points to see the level of use. Check the lathes to see the wear.

I would expect the Allis plow to bring less on resale than a comparable John Deere. This doesn't mean one is better than another - it's supply and demand. You need to make your own decision. (Some can only use John Deere.)

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Mr. Bob

11-25-2007 07:22:29




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Texas Denny, 11-25-2007 07:10:32  
Iliked the JD plows better than the AC's, but Im NOT a JD fan; Far as I'm concerned JD is far over priced compaerd to other makes of tractors of equal quality. There's just been a lot more country songs, memoribilia and other hype about JDs than the other brands. This is why, I firmly believe, that when a machine come from the factory with green and yellow paint, it is FAR over priced compared to others. When I was growing up in a farming community, all I heard was is how much better the JD "two bangers" were than the Fords, Fergusons, MFs, ACs, and any others. To this day, it would be very doubtful that I'd ever own a JD tractor. The other above mentioned brands have always suited my needs very well. MF, Ford, and AC are my favorites in that order. Mr. Bob

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Texas Denny

11-25-2007 09:24:29




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Mr. Bob, 11-25-2007 07:22:29  
Mr. Bob, I echo your comments. My lone difference is that I have made a point to buy all tractor brands so that I could determine the differences both plus and minus. I have owned Allis Chalmers, Case, Cockshutt, Farmall, Ford, John Deere, Massey Ferguson, Massey Harris and Minneapolis Moline. Of that list, the only I don't have right now is Massey Harris. There are of course many differences. With 16 tractors, a person is bound to end up with a favorite for use on the ranch and a favorite overall. Right now, it seems to be leaning to the Massey Ferguson 25. The primary reasons are the bottom exhaust, low profile and totally independent PTO. Close second is my D-14 and in third probably the D-17. I've sold tractors just because they were too hard to use - too bulky - difficult controls - poor maneuverability. Examples in this category would be the John Deere A, Farmall M and the Minneapolis Moline G705. I my operation, I also use a Ford 901, Ford 8N, Allis G, and a Farmall B. Last year, I bought a John Deere 50 that I am sure will be sold once I get everything working and it is painted. The reason is that it is little different than the A. Repairing those 2 cylinder tractors is harder than any other - some repairs seemed almost impossible. Clutch work is the exception - been working on the 50 clutch for weeks - may have to revise my opinion of their clutch. Takes 2 to 10 times as long to do simple repairs. Restoring takes at least 3 times as long - my experience. I'm sure the John Deere fans will take issue with this statement - but most have never owned anything else so they don't have a valid comparison. But the John Deere's are fun to listen to and everyone seems to like their sound the best. And they drive like a Farmall, or Cockshutt.

Anyway, all brands have strong points and weak points.

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Harry J. Case

11-25-2007 17:47:27




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Texas Denny, 11-25-2007 09:24:29  
Hey Denny One summer many years agao I worked for a farmer that used only two cylinder J. D. tractors and we were constantly adjusting those crudely designed clutches. The Minnie Mos and Cases with hand clutches I have been exposed to were always trouble free. Good luck buddy. Harry



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Mr. Bob

11-25-2007 06:42:33




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 Re: Does Allis-Chalmers make a good Plow? in reply to Andrew Wert, 11-25-2007 04:42:27  
The 3-14s that my dad got with his new D17 back in '61 were, at best, poor. In heavy clay soil, adjust as you might, they would not turn it over. He even had an AC "block man" come and try to adjust them to no avail. I think their frame was too light and would spring in and out of shape when a hard pull was put on them. We got rid of them and acquired a very heavy set of JD 3-14, and they and the D17 made the perfect combo in our mostly tough clay soil.

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