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Richard E.

09-01-2006 10:41:22




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John,I"m hoping all I need to do is change the fluid again in the Case-o-matic again ? This spring I put in the heavy duty Merc-III in and cleaned the filter. Not knowing the age of the filter should I get a new one for safety sake and go back to the Merc-II. It was bothering in kicking down when I was shifting into low, today it was back to normal..... Any Ideas ?




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c hess

09-02-2006 06:13:31




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Richard E., 09-01-2006 10:41:22  
While i no longer farm i feel i need to coment about oil for transmissions including Case o matic. My book says case tch or type a transmission. We always used tch an as a result have had no transmission problems with c ase o matic or power shift an had 7000 plushrs on 1070 an many more on case omatic . Only problem with power shift was caused by having used it for stationary work with shift in reverse. As for HY trans i remember there advertisment showing how it would absorbe water an turn colors. Had a repair man in Ill tel me there was not a red tractor over 2000 hrs that did not have bearings replaced in transmissions. My thoughts are that that oil that absorbed water was not so hot after all . Water is not good lubricant.Do not know if it is same stuff today.Therfore those using tractors full time an hard i would recomend manufactures oil. If you read some of generic hydraulic oils they say not for hard use in trans. Use your good judgment being aware transmissions an hydraulics are much more expensive than engines to repair.

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Richard E.

09-02-2006 03:34:39




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Richard E., 09-01-2006 10:41:22  
Thanks guys, I"ve yet to find a place that has so many people willing to help, and so fast ! The change of oil and filter is alot cheaper than a transmission, but the oil does look clean, not burnt .



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Richard E.

09-02-2006 03:34:39




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Richard E., 09-01-2006 10:41:22  
Thanks guys, I"ve yet to find a place that has so many people willing to help, and so fast ! The change of oil and filter is alot cheaper than a transmission, but the oil does look clean, not burnt .



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J.heitkemper

09-01-2006 21:35:03




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Richard E., 09-01-2006 10:41:22  
Could Either of you fellows help Me .Our 800 Case O matic torque convertor fluid needs to be changed ...The book describes a MS/Dgtype oil ,,,My Oil dealer says any Hy Tran fluid should work fine ,,as long as it has a defoamersuch as JD303 ..I am still skeptical to change it and pour 303 in the torque convertor ..What is correct fluid ? ThANX jIM



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John Saeli

09-02-2006 05:59:06




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to J.heitkemper , 09-01-2006 21:35:03  
Your dealer is correct, any quality Trans. - Hyd. fluid is fine. They couldn't call it Hyd. oil if it didn't have the anti-foaming agent in it. I believe they refer to it as a SAE 10W20. I wouldn't walk up to that 800 with a new can of JD oil unless I covered the pail up with something. Maybe pour it into another container, then approach the 800. Good luck.



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John Saeli

09-01-2006 19:40:32




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Richard E., 09-01-2006 10:41:22  
I don't know what to say. I wouldn't think you'd have to change the oil so soon. If the filter isn't coming apart, & cleans out OK, it should be OK. I guess the 1st thing to do is to look @ the filter. Maybe someone else will chime in. Good luck.



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SHeiserman

09-01-2006 20:23:31




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to John Saeli, 09-01-2006 19:40:32  
Good timing, and while we're on the subject of cleaning that particular filter, is leaving the filter to soak in clean oil for a long period of time going to break it down? I wouldn't think so. Put a new filter in, but the old one looks fine. Going to put it in a small plastic coffee "can" full of Hy-Tran until I change it again. Surely that won't hurt anything??

As for the pto, STRIKE ONE! A needle bearing (for the hyd. shaft again) fell apart as I was getting ready to put the shaft with its newly installed ball bearing back in. How anybody can do this for a living is beyond me. Supposed to get new bearing in the morning. Handled the bearing carrier a thousand times w/o incident. When it's go time, it falls apart.

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John Saeli

09-02-2006 05:54:35




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to SHeiserman, 09-01-2006 20:23:31  
Hey Scott: What a lucky guy you are!! With my luck, I would have got it all back, installed, & then the brg. would have fallen apart. Probably would have taken out the pump too. Here, it's "If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all".



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SHeiserman

09-02-2006 10:02:23




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to John Saeli, 09-02-2006 05:54:35  
LUCK???? No bearing this morning. Comes out of Texas. Spilled my full can of cold Pepsi all over the keyboard when I got off the phone with the parts guy. It was an act of clumsiness, not anger. Wife thinks differently.

Then I read c hess's post about Hy-Tran. I just bought $250 worth of the stuff. I was tempted to go the Hy-Gard (JD) route, but figured since the farmall dealer was working with me on this one I'd buy oil from them. Maybe they'll take it back.

So here I sit on a 3 day weekend. No part, broken computer (I'm on the kid's comp.), wife is pi$$ed, and I'm afraid to leave the house for fear of what will happen next. I wish the guy who started this post luck, I've got nothing for him. I'll boldy try again next wekend.

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John Saeli

09-02-2006 10:43:18




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to SHeiserman, 09-02-2006 10:02:23  
Hey Scott: Pissed wife here too!! In all gear trannies, that is to say, not C-O-M or Power Shift, I add 85W140 to the Hyd. Trans. fluid. Our 350, 630, 730,& 1175 all get the mix. At least 1 Qt. of 85W140 to 3Qts. of Fluid. The TCH used to absorb water also, that is why it turned milky. Remember the TFD oil Case offered? Had more body than the TCH.



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Richard E.

09-02-2006 11:50:56




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to John Saeli, 09-02-2006 10:43:18  
John is the TFD still available ? If it is maybe I should be looking into that ?



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John Saeli

09-02-2006 17:15:19




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Richard E., 09-02-2006 11:50:56  
I don't think TFD is available anymore.



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Sheiserman

09-02-2006 14:00:23




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Richard E., 09-02-2006 11:50:56  
Hey Richard, I began putting Hy-Tran in my c-o-m several years ago and the only difference I noticed was that it started making a whining noise, especially in cold weather. But it didn't effect how well it worked. I don't work it hard so you'll have to take it for what it's worth. I've heard enough bad comments about Hy-Tran that I WAS going to put HY-Gard from JD in. Never heard anything bad about HY-Gard, and it doesn't cost any more. I believe the guys on here in the past have said TCH is available again, but only at the industrial /heavy equipment dealers.

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Richard E.

09-04-2006 06:03:44




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Sheiserman, 09-02-2006 14:00:23  
The farmer I worked for a few years used Hy-gard in all his stuff and never had any problems. Just didn"t think of using it in my ole" Case. She doesn"t do alot of hard work anymore, but sometimes mowing, alot of shifting gets involved, good oil is a big plus anyways. Thanks again for all the input !



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Richard E.

09-04-2006 06:03:43




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 Re: 730 case-John Saeli in reply to Sheiserman, 09-02-2006 14:00:23  
The farmer I worked for a few years used Hy-gard in all his stuff and never had any problems. Just didn"t think of using it in my ole" Case. She doesn"t do alot of hard work anymore, but sometimes mowing, alot of shifting gets involved, good oil is a big plus anyways. Thanks again for all the input !



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