Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Case Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Case 580E No forward or reverse movement.

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
TimN8er

08-05-2007 21:10:59




Report to Moderator

Hi All, I was in my uncle 1974 580E. It quit going forward on me. I can put it into any of the 4 gears and I can hear it engage. I select forward and reverse and can hear the tranny spin. So its like your pickup dropped its u joint. I dont know tractors and was wondering if there is an internal joint that connects the tranny to the rear axle.




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
caseman ia

08-06-2007 15:52:08




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to TimN8er, 08-05-2007 21:10:59  
check rivets on ringear seen that before



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jiles

08-06-2007 11:28:07




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to TimN8er, 08-05-2007 21:10:59  
The first thing I would do is disconnect the wire from the selenoid that is on the left side of the shuttle. The shuttle has a drive shaft connecting it to the transaxle. This selenoid is about 3' in diameter and about 3" long with two wires coming fron it. When the wires are connected to voltage, the shuttle will go into neutral, giving more power to use the front bucked. Best to hope this is the problem.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
TimN8er

08-06-2007 13:48:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to Jiles, 08-06-2007 11:28:07  
I thought of one more thing. If the shuttle it being put into neutral, then I don't understand why it goes into gear and spins. I can hear the transmission going into gear when i put it in any of the 4 speeds. number for allows me to hear the trans spinning in fwd or reverse obviously due to the gear ratio. so this leaves me to thinking its a failure of some part after the power leaves the transmission to the rear wheels.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
TimN8er

08-06-2007 13:41:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to Jiles, 08-06-2007 11:28:07  
I thinki get what your saying but what confuses me is that i can operate the bucket while driving. It sounds like your saying that the shuttle will go into neutral when i operate the buck. I will look into the wires and pull them to see if it will allow me to move the machine. IF not then it could be a drive shaft. Is this a big job to do? and is it likely that there is a ujoint that let go or is this setup a solid shaft. reason i ask is that its look the the motor trans and rear axle are all bolted to act as one unit with out any flex. I know when you need to flex you would use U-joint to make up for this movement.

Thanks again for your input.

Tim
Oshawa Ontario Canada

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
DougM

08-06-2007 19:08:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to TimN8er, 08-06-2007 13:41:14  
Tim, are you sure its an "E", from your description of it being of unitized construction & 1974, it sounds more like a "B" model. If you hear the transmission turning but are getting no movement, it sounds like its in the differential. As already mentioned, these things have a habit of shearing the crown gear retainers.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jiles

08-06-2007 15:31:52




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to TimN8er, 08-06-2007 13:41:14  
I have a 480D which is basically the same, just a little smaller. The shuttle works like this---You are using the front bucket to scoop up a load of dirt, when you start to raise the full bucket, the engine slows down noticably. You can press the button on the loader lever or the dash mounted button or the foot operated button, and the shuttle goes into neutral (electrically). You then have the extra power to lift the load. If one of these switches does not break voltage, your shuttle will be in neutral. You will have a short drive shaft connecting the shuttle to the transaxle. The shuttle is basically an automatic transmission with forward and reverse that doesn't change gears. You change gears with the transaxle. What I have told you would be one of the simplest solutions. I am sure if you had a bad driveshaft, you would have noticed somthing wrong. You could have a broken shaft or or other problems with the shuttle. I am sure the shuttle fluid level is correct????

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
TimN8er

08-06-2007 21:13:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to Jiles, 08-06-2007 15:31:52  
Yes the Fluid level is correct. the gear fluid is correct as well. Both have clean fluid. Doug, you are correct. I went through some pictures and it shows a 580B on the tractor, so my mistake. I was able to track down a service manual for it. I will have a look at it when i get it and see what information it gives me.

Is there an easy way to inspect the shaft or drive gear. I seen what looks to be an inspection plate on the rear of the axle. Im not sure if I can tell from there if the machine has a gear or gear retainer issue.

Tanks so much guys for giving me you time thus far.

Cheers. Tim.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
DougM

08-06-2007 22:13:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to TimN8er, 08-06-2007 21:13:42  
third party image

Tim, if you remove the floor boards you should see a large cover plate located aft of the transmission shift tower/cover. remove this cover & you can inspect the differential crown & pinion gears, side gears, & the 2 large final drive gears.

Doug

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
DougM

08-06-2007 22:16:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to DougM, 08-06-2007 22:13:05  
third party image

another page showing the differential & related parts



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
TimN8er

08-07-2007 09:09:43




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to DougM, 08-06-2007 22:16:13  
Thanks guys. You all have been great. all I need now is for this week to be over. I may be insane, but im looking forward to the weekend to get this resolved at my uncles cottage. Sad part is, it will probably take another week since i need to order parts once i figure what the heck it is. I will keep you all posted.

Thanks for the photo Doug M. I may call upon you to email me a larger photo if the manual i get today does not have that page init.

Cheers.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
DougM

08-07-2007 15:58:31




Report to Moderator
 Re: Case 580E No forward or reverse movement. in reply to TimN8er, 08-07-2007 09:09:43  
Tim, the picture sizing here is to small to be of any use, I will Email you. you can also go to Case's site at the address below, click on search for parts, where it says model, type in 580, a list of 580 equipment will come up, select 580B with suttle transmission, another list will appear, select drive train, basically all the same drawings as in the shop manual except here you get part #'s & descriptions too.

Link

One other thing, being yours is a 580B, it will not have the solinoid for neutral selection like the newer machines as previously described.

Doug

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy