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1956- Case 311-B

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Larry59

01-28-2008 16:41:58




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I just got this tractor home about 2 hrs ago. No really nothing about it other then it runs and goes real well and the lady has had it for last 30 are so years. What is the difference between a 311 and a 311 B tractor?
Lady said only to use "lead gas" in it and "none detergent oil". Of this she gave me the lead to put in gas and even extra oil she always keeps around. Said something about oil and lead gas to do with aluminum valves? Are stainless steel? She was old and hard to understand some. Hope I have spelled that right.
So tell me something cause I am listing to you. Thanks

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JGarner

01-29-2008 10:21:02




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 Re: 1956- Case 311-B in reply to Larry59, 01-28-2008 16:41:58  
You can just about forget everything this elderly lady told you because most if not all of her information is wrong. The guys below have you just about straight. Case intake valves were aluminized not aluminum This is a surface treatment between the valve seat area and the working part of the valve stem I assume as corrosion protection. No valves are stainless steel.

On leaded vs unleaded gasoline djm75 is right. The lead was to protect the softer valve seats used in automobile engines. Most tractors were designed to run on kerosene or tractor fuel which did not have TetraEythl lead consequently they are hardened seats which is what Detroit had to do to car engines in the 70s.

THe only engines that should use non detergent oil are two cycle engines and it is a special oil for them as it get mixed in gas or injected directly into the combustion chamber as these engines have no crankcase and the oil in the gas lubricates the engine. Detergent oils help keep your engine clean.

If she really gave you TetraEthyl lead to put in the tank, take it to the nearest hazmat site and try to get it disposd of and out of your hands. This is one of the most toxic substances known to man in undiluted form. It was even bad in gasoline as it can be absorbed through the skin.

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Joe (Wa)

01-29-2008 17:45:42




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 Re: 1956- Case 311-B in reply to JGarner, 01-29-2008 10:21:02  
I agree in principle with your post but not entirely.

Compression ratio, firing pressure, firing temperature, coolant temperature and the latent heat of evaporation of the fuel mixture are all relative.

The 148 cid gas engine was designed with a compression ratio of 7.1:1, 148 - 153°F coolant T-stat, with no exh valve insert seats.

The same engine with high altitude/propane head was 8.5:1, 177 - 182°F T-stat, had a steel alloy exh valve insert in part because of the higher firing pressures, combustion, and coolant temps but also due to lower latent heat of evaporation of the propane fuel as opposed to gas, kerosene, or the so called tractor fuel.

How did they do localized hardening of the individual valve seats? Laser hardening did not come into general use until the early 80’s, as far as I know, when we started to getting laser hardened liner ports and valve seats (in lieu of inserts) in diesels.

Lead was added to gas to reduce exhaust valve & seat wear, and to a much lesser extent retard burn rate, because more vehicle engines were being produced with compression ratios of 9:1 and higher to boost hp, and higher coolant temps for efficiency while the latent heat of the fuel mixture remained the same.

What was the first change that car manufacturer’s did when the leaded gas bane was proposed? In mass produced engines, they didn’t install inserts and I don’t remember any localized hardening. They did lowered the comp ratio of engines in new vehicles and recommended higher octane for their now high compression engines that were just yesterday’s low/medium comp engines.

Valve seat "pound out" is more related to improper seating, grind angle, guide wear, etc than any amount of lead "cushioning". I am not proposing that lead is not beneficial in long term valve wear but it will not correct the main issues of valve pound out or prevent it.

The only gas specification I can find in the manuals is “Octane 90.7, minimum, (ASTM Research Method)”. I think today’s 89 w/modern additives is probably adequate, don’t know for sure. I don’t see any reference to leaded or unleaded gas in the manuals. Am I missing it? Anyone?

Joe

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djm75

01-29-2008 03:22:17




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 Re: 1956- Case 311-B in reply to Larry59, 01-28-2008 16:41:58  
its the valve seats the lead is for to protect unless they are harden seats it will beat them to death I use the lead additive in my willys jeep.



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Larry59

01-28-2008 18:06:09




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 Thanks..More questions ?? in reply to Larry59, 01-28-2008 16:41:58  
Thank you very much for your comments. This has given me information that I had not of. AS for the oil. Could I wash it out with diesel fuel? If so should I let it set in it for what amount of time to clean out?
Can I start the motor with diesel oil in it to clean other area's?
Since buying it today and paying to have it hauled to my home. I am a bit short to buy an operations manuel for a while. Would anyone had one they could scan and email me it? Just the basics of tractor so I know what lever does what. I am still a newbie to tractors and the does and don't of what to touch.. lol Thanks

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Joe (Wa)

01-28-2008 18:27:27




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 Re: Thanks..More questions ?? in reply to Larry59, 01-28-2008 18:06:09  
No, you can not flush the lube system with diesel oil of any other miracle cleaner. It will loosen the sludge, grit and lodge some of it in the closest clearances which is between the bearings and journals.

Pull the valve cover off, if the head does not have a layer of sludge you can probably get away with switching to detergent oil and frequent changes as John said. Don’t get too excited about the sludge you will probably find in the top of the valve cover, that is more an operational thing, make your decision to pull the pan or not based on the accumulation on top of the head.

Joe

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Larry59

01-28-2008 18:39:12




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 Re: Thanks..More questions ?? in reply to Joe (Wa), 01-28-2008 18:27:27  
Good thing your telling me this. Was going to do it to it in a few days.. Having 40 to 60 mile winds here today and it is still going on this evening. Talk of rain tonight sometime. Might be fair tomorrow but snow coming in couple of days here in Mid Mo. So have to slow down to do much on it for now....My tractor shed consist of some thin metal poles and a cheap canopy. Just can't seem to get the cold out of it..lol Little humor tonight. *S

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John Noname

01-28-2008 17:26:19




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 Re: 1956- Case 311-B in reply to Larry59, 01-28-2008 16:41:58  
The "300" series were produced in the 55-57 era with the round nose. The last "300" roundnoses were 350's with more hp. The "B" followed and this is when Case went to the square front look with the headlights in the eyebrows. Caseomatic came into being also with the odd numbers were regular shifts and the even were Casomatic. I'm sure there will be others chiming in on the gas and oil. If I had to do it I would switch to detergent oil and unleaded gas. Would change to oil very often at first to get rid of deposits. This is just me though.

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Joe (Wa)

01-28-2008 17:22:45




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 Re: 1956- Case 311-B in reply to Larry59, 01-28-2008 16:41:58  
The 311 has round nose sheet metal, built 1956 & 1957 model year. The 311B has square nose sheet metal, built 1958 & 1959 model years.

Both have the 148 cid engine. The engines have a low compression ratio, something close to 7:1, you do not need leaded gas. Head is cast iron, valves are steel. No aluminum in the engine that I can think of off-hand except the rear main seal carrier.

Detergent oil is best for this engine since it keeps particulates in suspension but if it has used non-detergent oil for many years, there may be built up gunk in the crankcase & lube system that detergent oil will tend to put in suspension and cause problems. If you know the engine hasn't had frequent oil changes in the past it's best to drop the pan, check for gunk, clean out before switching to detergent oil.

Joe

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