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Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel?

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Tim

05-01-2003 11:13:37




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I saw this tractor a couple years ago - still sitting in the exact spot I last saw it probably in the late 80's. Our neighbor bought it new, and dad borrowed it every year to plow and drag our garden. So it has a great deal of sentimental value to me. It looks OK considering - one rim is shot around the stem, and the middle section of the hood is gone, and one fender. But the rest of the tin is pretty good - one small rip in the front grille. No idea of the condition of the engine. But it must have run until the old guy got sick - it is still hooked up to an old off-brand haybine, hydraulic hoses and all.

Does anyone have ideas on what kind of problems and related expenses I could run into trying to rehabilitate her? The engine could be seized, the injector pump shot - who knows? I did notice the radiator cap was gone - could water have run in and cracked the block or head?

Thanks for any advice or experience you can share. Not even sure it can be bought, but I plan to try.

Tim

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buckmaster700

05-03-2003 08:45:55




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 Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 11:13:37  
i pull a 700 diesel there a great tractor in the field and on the track . if you get it give me a call ill help all i can with finding used parts and tech info 812-394-5704



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Johnc(ks)

05-02-2003 07:18:11




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 Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 11:13:37  
Tim,

Last year I rescued a Case 700B that had been sitting for 10-15 years (there is a picture of it in the Tractor Photos section). I got lucky with it because the engine was loose and the anti-freeze was still good, and I was able to troubleshoot and fix the fuel problem. After you get permission to tinker with the tractor, there is a compression release on the engine (a lever below and on the RH side of the instrument panel), and you should be able to get to the crankshaft pulley nut with a 1/2 or 3/4 drive socket + extension to turn the engine and see if it is loose. The engine has no glow plugs, so if it is stuck, you'll probably need to remove injectors to get your "loosening fluid" into the cylinders.
The former owner of my tractor had parked it because he could no longer get it started. I traced the fuel lines from the tank to the injector pump, and verified that I was getting fuel through the filters and to the pump. After learning how the throttle works (above the detent for cutoff; below the detent to run), I spun the engine with the starter and discovered that I wasn't getting any fuel to the injectors. A local diesel shop technician showed me how to loosen the speed control rack on the injector pump, and I soon had the motor purring. Another problem I had to contend with was the microbial sludge that built up in the fuel tank after sitting so long. My Dad finally steamed out the fuel tank and I treated the fuel, so I think the problem is under control.
Parts are getting scarce, since they only built the 700 series for a couple of years. I can still get fuel and oil filters at the CASE-IH dealer, and I've seen engine overhaul and gasket kits from aftermarket folks.
If you're interested, I will email you and forward some info that I received from a fellow who was restoring a Case 400 diesel.

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Tim

05-02-2003 09:53:36




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 Re: Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Johnc(ks), 05-02-2003 07:18:11  
John,

Thank you for all the info. The specifics you mention brought back some old memories. Think I remember the comp release lever - only I didn't understand it as a kid. And the shut off on the throttle too.
Sounds like you were very fortunate not having to do major engine work. What transmission do you have? This tractor has (I think - is it possible?), 16 gears on one stick? Are not parts from the 730 series interchangeable? I thought one of my books said they were the same basic tractor.

Can you shoot me a quick e-mail with your address? I'll save it in the event I can buy this thing, then ask you to forward whatever info you have. I'm tlp7@cornell.edu.

Tried to find your 700's picture, but the server is really slow. Will give it a shot again when I have time.

Thanks again, Tim

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caseman-d

05-01-2003 20:00:10




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 Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 11:13:37  
Tim, Since someone is mowing the grass go over and put a note on the door, garage where it looks like there has been some activity. While your there you might take a closer look at the tractor and see if you can turn it over by olding the belt and pulling on the fan. Since some one is cutting the grass start asking other neighbors if they know who might own the property. Good luck with it.
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Thanks for the help!!

05-02-2003 05:23:01




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 Re: Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to caseman-d, 05-01-2003 20:00:10  
Thank you all for your comments and advice. If I buy it, I'll have plenty of time to work on it - cause I'll be sleeping in the garage when my wife gets done with me!

Tim



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Steven@nd

05-01-2003 18:41:07




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 Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 11:13:37  
I've bought a few tractors that have been left sitting outside with raincap on the muffler. All full of water and stuck. One was a Farmall H that sat out by the fence for 20 years, 1 cylinder was full of water, cracked the block and head.

Another was an IH 660 diesel that sat for 5 years outside with raincap on the muffler. Oil pan was full of water, pulled glow plugs and water came out of 3 cylinders.

Rain caps are NOT a solution to long term water prevention. After every rain I start our tractors and all of them with rain caps blow water out. I have changed to putting a pipe on the end with 90 degree bend and slash cut so only really high wind with rain will get water down the exhaust.

PS - this is in North Dakota where there really isn't all that much rain per year.

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Keith Alexander

05-01-2003 16:51:32




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 Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 11:13:37  
Well here is my 2c from the north country. Jefferson county (Watertown area.)
If it really interests you and it sounds like it might. Then go for it. You can always do alittle at a time as $ are available. Buy cheap though.
Check with your town clerk to see who the property owner is and good luck.



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Sam Gerteisen

05-01-2003 11:47:42




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 Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 11:13:37  
not having any idea of the true condition of the tractor, I'd say try to approach the gentleman and see if he'd consider a bid or offer a price...if your into antique tractors, and explain the sentimental aspect...he may be interested in working something out...where are you located ?



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Tim

05-01-2003 15:23:09




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 Re: Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Sam Gerteisen, 05-01-2003 11:47:42  
That's part of the problem. The last owner died about a year ago. I have no idea if anyone is living at the farm - or who his heirs are. The lawn was recently mowed, so at least someone is watching the place. But its pretty run down. I'm in upstate NY. My guess is that no one will have any idea of its condition. I don't think it has been moved in at least 10 yrs - and its been outside.
Tim

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John Saeli

05-01-2003 15:54:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 15:23:09  
Tim; What county are you in? I'm in Seneca. Hard to tell what you could run into with that 700. Is it set up?



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Tim

05-01-2003 16:04:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to John Saeli, 05-01-2003 15:54:04  
John - I'm in Tioga - just a little south and east of you. That's my main fear - that it is set up from sitting outside. The muffler cap is still on and looks to have sealed well. And the head looked OK. I could see this ending up to cost big $$ if it needs a total rebuild. Was hoping I could find someone who had bought a tractor in a similar situation and could tell me what they had to do to get it running. Physically, it is in good shape. Our neighbor had one of those calendar picture farms - he always took good care of it and his equipment. The second guy was the opposite - but he only used it for a few years on a very limited basis. The Eagle Hitch parts are all there, and haven't been welded or cobbled at all. The glass is still in the gauge cluster. But who knows whats inside?

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John Saeli

05-02-2003 05:09:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Advice on Abandoned 700 Diesel? in reply to Tim, 05-01-2003 16:04:20  
Hey Tim, Like the other guys say, start from the beginning, and see if it is for sale and what you can buy it for. The Eagle Hitch being in good shape is a plus. You could easily put a grand in the motor. Those drive trains are non destructable. Good luck.



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