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Bob Semrau

05-20-2003 18:21:39




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I recently bought an 1816B (not an antique, but it IS 23 years old) which has problems lifting the 35" bucket full of dirt when warmed up. There appears to be a hard spot when the lift cylinders are about half-way extended, through which the cylinder won't extend with a full load. If I put less in the bucket, it will stutter at this point, but clear up once it gets through it. The hydraulic fluid is at the fill mark. I want to flush the system and refill it before I start worrying about bent cylinders. The manual says to use 10W40 engine oil rated SD or SE, which is now obsolete. Should I use current 10W40 SL, or do people use some form of HYTRAN now ? My only tractor which uses engine oil for hydraulic fluid is my AC G, which uses non-detergent 20W, to avoid foaming. Won't the 10W40 foam ? Does anybody have any other suggestions for what I should look at ? Thanks in advance !

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Bob Semrau

05-21-2003 12:46:56




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 Re: Case 1816 hydraulic questions in reply to Bob Semrau, 05-20-2003 18:21:39  
Max & Jim :

Thanks for your advice !



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Max

05-20-2003 20:49:32




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 Re: Case 1816 hydraulic questions in reply to Bob Semrau, 05-20-2003 18:21:39  
Just use any good quality 10w40 motor oil and it will work fine. It sounds like your problem is like you said, bent rod(s). You may have more problems than that though now like a scarred cylinder from the piston being in a bind. The 1816B didn't have any circuit reliefs so the bucket could have been overloaded. If you want to check something else out before tearing into the cylinders, you could disconnect both cylinders and manually lift the loader with a hoist and check for binding in the back linkage.

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Bob Semrau

05-21-2003 13:00:25




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 Re: Re: Case 1816 hydraulic questions in reply to Max, 05-20-2003 20:49:32  
With an empty bucket it seems to lift without any problems, so it probably is one or both rods, unfortunately. How careful do you have to be about overloading the bucket ? I also have a Ford with a trip-bucket loader, and I've never worried about this - I would just hear the relief valve working if it couldn't lift the bucket. Can one be retrofitted to the 1816B ?

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Max

05-21-2003 20:10:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Case 1816 hydraulic questions in reply to Bob Semrau, 05-21-2003 13:00:25  
The only way would be to get a valve from an 1830 or 1835, they have the secondary reliefs.



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jimks

05-20-2003 20:34:48




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 Re: Case 1816 hydraulic questions in reply to Bob Semrau, 05-20-2003 18:21:39  
The newer case skidsteers run regular 10w30 engine oil with case "HTO" additive... one quart per five gallons. I'm sure that would work fine in your 1816. I don't know what to tell you right off about the hydraulics- that's a wierd symptom. Once the machine is warmed up, will the hydraulics load the engine at idle? If you think the problem is in one of the lift cylinders, you can cap off the lines to one cylinder and then the other and see when the chatter goes away.

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Bob Semrau

05-21-2003 13:05:45




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 Re: Re: Case 1816 hydraulic questions in reply to jimks, 05-20-2003 20:34:48  
If I load it too much, the cylinder won't get past the hard spot. It needs a medium load to chatter - it kind of looks like a binding in one of the cylinders. I only noticed it after I had been warmed up, I will check to see if it also happens cold. The hydraulics don't load the engine as far as I can tell. I was wondering if low oil could cause this, but it seems more like a bent cylinder rod.



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