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188D in a 580B - I give up

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Kevin

08-19-2003 18:36:47




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Well I've about had it with this machine. Here's the short story:
1) Bought a machine with a worn out engine and a rebuild shuttle a couple of years ago, ran until it lost a rod bearing.
2) Full rebuild, but had an issue with machinest that made me tear the machine back down again. (My fault for not catching bad machine work).
3) Rebuild again, run perfect for about 25 hours before winter.
4) Had new 50/50 mix in the cooling system, but somehow froze. Split block down the middle.
5) Bought new block and rebuilt again. Had issues timing the pump, but figured that out easy enough. Cranked for oil pressure, and it fired it up, but no oil pressure! Shut down quick, didn't hurt anything. Forgot to put in pipe plug in end of rear oil galley. Tore down.
6) Installed plug, machine fired right up last night and purrrrr rrred like a kitten. Awesome.
7) Let run for about 3 minutes at about 700rpm. New problem: Lost 3 quarts of oil in that timeframe. Put 3 more quarts in, 3 minutes later it's gone. Did this a couple of times. Oil pressure is rock-solid 60psi @ 700rpm, 65psi @ 1500rpm. Engine sounds awesome. Starts easy, no smoke, runs perfect.

Here's what I've deducted:
1) No visible oil leaks
2) Good oil pressure
3) Front and rear oil galley pipe plugs are fine
4) Rear plug that seals cam bore is fine (checked when I tore down to install the galley plug - no leaks)
5) I am sure I got the rear main seal right when I rebuilt.

Only place I can think of the oil going is in the torque tube. Only thing I can think of is the rear main seal, somehow. It's leaving the oil pan at the rate of 1 quart per minute while at 700rpm.

Anyone have some advice here? I hate to think of splitting the tractor AGAIN. This pile of junk is going to be sold as soon as it's fixed. Perhaps if someone wanted it as-is now, a deal could probably be arranged.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Steve Schmittgens

08-20-2003 10:31:08




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 Re: 188D in a 580B - I give up in reply to Kevin, 08-19-2003 18:36:47  
Kevin, Sounds like you've run into a problem that I had a few years back. Here's the deal, on the front of the engine is a plug that goes behind the injector pump timing gear, this plug is the same size as the plug @ the rear of the engine. BIG DIFFERENCE!!! This plug has a pin hole drilled through it in order to oil the timing gears. I ended up flip-flopping them & suffered the same problem. The hole is small enough to allow preassure to build, but, when placed in the wrong spot, it'll squirt like nobodies business. My advice is to check this out as it's a very easy mistake to make & can be remidied easily.

Thanks, Nate

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Kevin

08-20-2003 17:58:31




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 Re: Re: 188D in a 580B - I give up in reply to Steve Schmittgens, 08-20-2003 10:31:08  
Nate,

Didn't get to reply earlier today, but I just wanted to say THANK YOU!!! This has got to be it. I just haphazardly pulled the two plugs from my old block and slapped them in. Did not realize there was a hole in one.....doh! And of course with a 50/50 chance of getting it right by accident, you can see why I'm not a bettin' man.

I just got inside from working on the machine. Got it stripped back down to the point where I can unbolt the hard nose and split the tractor tomorrow night. I'm getting very proficient at disassembling and reassembling this monster. Can't wait to hear it run again, and put the for sale sign on it. It sounded soooo good the other night.

Thanks again,
Kevin

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Steve Schmittgens

08-21-2003 06:53:17




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 Re: Re: Re: 188D in a 580B - I give up in reply to Kevin, 08-20-2003 17:58:31  
Kevin,

Glad I could help, if you ever need any more Case advice feel free to call Steve or myself @ (314)966-6692. We deal mainly in construction, but Steve worked for Ol' J.I. for 25 years & I've worked for him since I could clean the parts dept.

Nate



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