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CASE not popular for pulling?

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Dave S

12-16-2003 09:38:15




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Hi, What is the reason that there aren't hardly any CASE'S pulling in the bigger pulls? Lots of Ms, MMs, ALLISs, and OLLIESs but no CASEs.Maybe a 500 or 600 but thats all I've seen. Whats the reason? Thanks, Dave S




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walter

12-19-2003 20:03:54




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
I pull a couple of LA's one in the 6500 class and one in 7500 and they pull very good. But i did have to raise the drawbar height to 18 inches. I've beat JD G's, 730's and red W9's.



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Ron

12-18-2003 09:25:36




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
Case is my favorite tractor but if you are considering pulling a Case tractor, there are a few important considerations that you need to be aware of.

First, drawbar ht and drawbar for/aft position. Many Case models have mechanism down low behind the rear axle that prevents a winable drawbar from being rigged. (Many other brands have much better situations for getting the drawbar right.) For examples the 1270, 1370, 1570, eagle hitch DC's, LA's etc have baggy rear ends and horrible drawbar situations for being competitive in a pulling contest.

I am tired of being embarrassed by dreamers who hook these baggy rear end Case tractors with long droopy drawbars and a dangling twisted clevis to a pulling sled. Their plow is cleaned from the git-go. Unless you are willing to do some serious modifications to these baggy rear ended Case tractors leave them at home--hooked to serious tillage tools where they work great.

A key to not getting your plow cleaned is to construct your drawbar in a way that holds the sled chain at a steep angle. The steep angle pulls up on the sled (reducing the drag force) and down on the tractor (increasing its tractive pull power). Other detrimental factors that reduce the steepness of the sled's chain angle include rear tire squat, tire rutting, front end rearing off the ground, and using a clevis. A winning drawbar has the hook hole large enough for the sled hook to engage through. Never use a clevis.

Many of the S, L, C, and D series Case tractors are quite easy to find hardware needed to provide the space needed to modify and rig a competitive drawbar.

Once you get the drawbar right, you will now need enough axle torque to spin out at the end of the pull. Many of the older Case tractors have too high a low gear to spin out with a good drawbar arrangement.

Engine modifications are well known. Perhaps a lesser know fact is the DC has a larger final drive chain sprocket that the D has. This means the DC has more axle torque than the D has. The puller tractor I am rigging this winter is a 49 D Case with DC final drive sprockets and axle bars. The rear wheels are D size with metal disc for reduced weight. The engine has 4" pistons and is getting a high compression head. Know where I can find some domed pistons?

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Dave S

12-19-2003 11:36:51




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 Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Ron, 12-18-2003 09:25:36  
Ron, a good machine shop should be able to make you a dome for your pistons. Thats what i'm having done to mine. Said they'll get it up to 11 to 1. Make sure they also plug weld them also to eliminate the possibility of lifting. They're charging me 100.00 a piston. Dave S



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Ron S

12-19-2003 15:35:36




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 Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-19-2003 11:36:51  
Dave, Is the dome they are making a true curved dome with a curved incline or does it have some straight incline and a flat top?

I have also seen pistons with raised contours that blend into a rectangle at the top of the piston. These pistons look compatible with the higher compression head (5505) with an oval combustion chamber.

The true dome would probably require the standard lower compression head (5576) because of its circular combustion chamber.

Which part gets the holes for plug welding and how many holes and what size? I would guess the dome has the hole for plug welding. Thanks, Ron S

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Dave S

12-24-2003 23:45:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Ron S, 12-19-2003 15:35:36  
Hey Ron, I'm running the 5505 head. If you are interested send me your e-mail address and I'll send you a picture of the pistons when they are done. Merry Christmas, Dave S



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Ron

12-26-2003 03:44:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S , 12-24-2003 23:45:52  
Dave, Pictures would be appreciated. My email is rlsatz@mtco.com. Have a happy new year, Ron



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Dave S

12-17-2003 01:04:10




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
Thanks guys for the great responces. I am going to be pulling a 52 DC this year. The club I'm joining has one other farmstock DC and he does very well. He also has a 47 pro antique DC with major engine work but enjoys the farmstock the most. I'm getting the parts around for the engine and plan on assembling in spring and doing some dyno testing. I'll let you all know how things turn out. Thanks again, Dave s

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Don Rudolph

12-17-2003 15:42:31




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 Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-17-2003 01:04:10  
We put an early model wide front under our late model DC 4. It shaved off 400 lbs and gave us a better drawbar angle. It really made a puller out of our farm DC. Good Luck.



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caseman-d

12-16-2003 20:48:43




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
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There are a few Case's that pull in my area. Last year I pulled my 801B, my Case D and a 900. I do admit that the D and the 900 didn't do to well because both are very tired machine's. The 801B is another story, It would pull with the best of them. I pulled it in the 8500 and 9500 lb. classes. I know one problem on the Case's is getting the draw bar up. Hoping to try pulling my D next year and getting the drawbar raised. It outpulled my W-6 Mccormick one day so if I get the carb cleaned out I think it's still got some life left in it. I will attach a picture of my 801B.
caseman-d

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Jim M

12-16-2003 17:26:21




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
There are alot of parts out there those brands listed. But CASE made good tractors and for us who know how to get them right we can hold our own with anybody having fair rules that are not color biased. 4 years ago my dad took a rough looking CASE 930 with 1 leaking head gasket down to a local pull. It had been sitting outside in Florida for 11 years. He cleaned out the fuel system and changed the tires. He pulled it in 10500 against some tried and true green machines. He cleaned their clocks. They are constantly changing the sled and track and rules to keep us off balance. At the last pull we had 3- 1st and 2- 2nd. We pull 6 case tractors and are rarely out of the top 3. We are currently pulling 1-351 2-DC 1-400 1-800 and 1-900. With 3 more on the way. Now more are looking to get their own CASE tractor.

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Mike Johnston

12-16-2003 17:51:23




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 Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Jim M, 12-16-2003 17:26:21  
Jim,

Long time no see. How did the move work out?

Mike Johnston



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mike

12-16-2003 16:49:45




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
We pull from 2500 lbs (Vac) 3000lbs(311B),4000lbs (DC) to 8000lbs-12000lbs (600 big case). We win alot more than we lose!! The john deere people in my club spent alot of money on their A's to beat my old junk DC!!!!( using case parts). great fun!!



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joecool

12-16-2003 16:31:08




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
we pull dad's cc, my dc and we are now pulling our 31 C orchard in 3500. Or friend pulls his 700, triple range on propane in 7500, 8500, 9500 and is hard to beat. We went to Hopkinsville,KY a few months ago and he embarrassed them there.

They have changed something and will not allow me to post anything in pulling section.

More and More Case's are pulling and beating the green and red stuff.

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Thad

12-16-2003 15:46:43




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
I pull a 34 C in div 2 since we got the balance close it has never got worse than 4th. I pull it 3500 4000 4500 and have even pulled up to 5000. It is consistantly 1 or 2. It is nothing more than stock case parts. Good luck and build a case Thad



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RoyG

12-16-2003 15:34:49




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
I pull a 1937 CC in 4500 and 5500 stock classes and win my share, My Son pulls a 61 DC in 6500 and 7500 and wins his share also. Have lost to a few sm's and even a Deere now and then.



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robert

12-16-2003 14:53:42




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
I have pulled a stock LA and D . The main thing I find is the drawbar is way toooo low on these things.I made a cheater to raise hook height but hook was to big to fit in at pull,so that remedy was not yet tested.D usually runs middle of pack.LA was a disappointment.Have an 830 green,it 20"high bar an weight balance make it unreal.



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Baggsy-Wy

12-16-2003 10:19:57




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 Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Dave S, 12-16-2003 09:38:15  
My SI was banished at the local pull. Beat second place by 92 feet last time I pulled. Not a fancy pull, but it made the red and green look pretty poor...



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Doug Franks

12-16-2003 12:31:34




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 Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Baggsy-Wy, 12-16-2003 10:19:57  
Why was your SI banished from the pull??? Was it a stickly antique pull with no front end and belly weights, or what I call "Super Antigues"??? Doug



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Baggs-Wy

12-16-2003 12:55:22




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 Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Doug Franks, 12-16-2003 12:31:34  
It was at a local tractor club's annual show. Had a 'just for fun' pull two days, based on weight, and you could guess at the weight as near as I could tell. A green "A" and a red "H" were the local favorites, and had always won in the past. Two years in a row, and both days, the SI made them look pretty puny. Even in the next weight class up, the SI turned alot of heads. The last year, I was 'informed' that some entrants refused to run against it, and I was hurting the show. Now we sit at home and let the red and green enjoy the glory. But it was fun while it lasted...

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DON L

12-17-2003 05:34:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Baggs-Wy, 12-16-2003 12:55:22  
Good job, for 28 inch tires!!!
Don L.



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Doug Franks

12-16-2003 16:27:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Baggs-Wy, 12-16-2003 12:55:22  
At our lacol Fun Pull, the tractors are to be "stock" just like it came from the factory. The first year that I pulled, I had a 1938 Allis WC with mounted 2 row cultivators on it. After I pulled a couple of JD guys told me it wasn't fair cause my cults we the same as belly weights. I said that they were "factory" and it was just a "fun" pull .I said that I would take out 2 pins and drop the cults if they would take their I-H wheel weights off their JD's cause I was pretty sure that they were not stock from JD!!!No more was said!! LOL!!!!! Doug

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Les...fortunate

12-16-2003 17:19:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Doug Franks, 12-16-2003 16:27:12  
See what I mean? You can't even have a "fun pull" without somebody getting ugly about something.
I don't care if a Case tractor can't pull a sick wh*** off a p***pot, I bought them to have fun with and to do real work, not to try to win some artificial contest.



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RoyG

12-16-2003 15:36:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: CASE not popular for pulling? in reply to Baggs-Wy, 12-16-2003 12:55:22  
Bring her down to Alabama this spring. We will weigh it and let it pull.



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