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Mike in Michiga

06-06-2005 16:45:55




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We have a 1969 Case 220 tractor with a Kohler engine, which is basically only used for mowing, using an attached mower.

For the past several years, the tractor has routinely run only 35 to 45 minutes at a time, then stalls. This year, the stalling occurs after only 15 minutes of operation. After the tractor sits and cools down for an hour, it will start, and then run for a similar length of time before stalling again.

This occurs both in mild and hot weather conditions, and in both light and heavier grassy areas.

The tractor is always operated with the throttle wide open, and the stalling occurs regardless of the amount of gasoline in the tank.

Changing the spark plug makes no difference.

To the best of my knowledge, the fuel mixture adjustment is set where it should be, per the owner's manual.

Since mowing our property is a 3 hour job, doing it in increments of 15 minutes mowing, one hour waiting, 15 more minutes mowing, another hour waiting, and so on makes buying a herd of goats look ever more appealing.

In lieu of that, I hope someone can share some thoughts on the cause of the stalling and what can be done to correct it. Whenever we've tried to have tractor service performed, we are always told, "It runs fine for us." Obviously, they are not experiencing what we are experiencing.

Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to provide.

Mike

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SW

06-10-2005 16:34:42




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to Mike in Michigan, 06-06-2005 16:45:55  
Your problem sounds exactly like a problem I had with my Case 222 w/ Kholer engine. Try resetting the timing by adjusting the points. I had tried all the things you did and thought I need a rebuild. A tune up was all it needed but it was the points that did it.



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c hess

06-07-2005 18:24:55




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to Mike in Michigan, 06-06-2005 16:45:55  
When engine stops when hot turn ouer by hand. Dou you have compression ? Valves may have no clearance. This will cause engine to stop. Than remove spark plug -ground best you can an run starter you should have blue spark if ok. yellow or no spark is not good indicating coil-points or condenser.



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jim handke

06-07-2005 16:26:09




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to Mike in Michigan, 06-06-2005 16:45:55  
Now I"m thinking I have a fuel problem, just the reason I replaced the fuel pump. I took over from my daughter and the second the engine starts to die I can play with the choke and keep it running. It might not have any power, or just enough to creep along, but when black smoke starts to appear out of the muffler I open the choke up and it"ll take off again. I"m wondering if the engine is lacking enough vacuum to keep the fuel pump working? Anyone out there run into that problem?

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Klyde

06-08-2005 04:45:21




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to jim handke, 06-07-2005 16:26:09  
Oh yea, been there done that. Most times on that bendix carb on the BF and early B43 onan engines,its fuel pump related. The impulse that works the diaphram has to be up to snuff, but if the rods ain't broke and the dipstick is not rattling up an down too much it should pump fuel. Case had a insolating kit they put on the late 446 before switching to the Nikki carb. It was supposed to keep the fuel from vaporizing so fast but the Nikki carb was a much better fix.

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jim handke

06-07-2005 11:56:41




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to Mike in Michigan, 06-06-2005 16:45:55  
This is the same problem my 446 has. It just now quit on my daughter after 45 min. of mowing. Since gas explodes in the muffler when trying to restart, I would assume a valve stuck open. This is the third year this mower has done this,only on hot days, however. I had to remove the hood to get it to run once it reaches the eighty degree mark. The gas tank is clean, the screen has been removed by a previous owner,an automotive type filter is in line just before the carb. and is clean, a $90 fuel pump kit hasn"t helped, and a good coil from another engine didn"t help either. Since the engine uses a lot of oil, I"m trying to get through the year and then overhaul it this winter. This is an Onan engine, so Kohler isn"t the only ones with problems.

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C. Amick

06-07-2005 09:33:57




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to Mike in Michigan, 06-06-2005 16:45:55  
Is the gas tank clean? Could there be sediment shaking around in the tank that finds it way over to the outlet and stops the flow of gas? Is there a drain on the carburetor where you could check it to see if it has gas in it at stall out?



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dctom

06-06-2005 18:14:15




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to Mike in Michigan, 06-06-2005 16:45:55  
try a new coil, they sometimes quit when hot than cool off and work again tom



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brian smith

07-06-2005 14:41:54




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 Re: 220 Case stalling problem in reply to dctom, 06-06-2005 18:14:15  
I had the exact same problem on my '84 Case 222. The fix was replacing the fuel filter inside the gas tank. Neither I nor any of the mechanics that worked on it had no idea there was a filter inside the tank. It would run for like 15-20 minutes and then die, you could mess with the choke right before it would die and it would keep running for a second or 2 before dying. Once it died, you could start it right back up and mow again, this time for just a few minutes and same problem. I replaced everything, plug, points, condensor, coil, fuel pump, adjusted timing, even a new carb!!! The filter inside the gas tank is weird looking, looks like cork, brown in color, kind of looks like one of those small grinding wheels you use on a dremel tool.

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