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Tim in NB

05-25-2006 18:48:43




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Were the Case 430, 530, 630 series tractors that were 12 volt, negative or positive ground? I have a generator and regulator off of one that are both marked 12 volts. I thought that the regulators had to be hooked up to the right polarity or does it not matter? The Generator number is 1100385 and the regulator number is 1118901.




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Tom (Ks)

05-26-2006 17:44:58




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Tim in NB, 05-25-2006 18:48:43  
Delco generator number 1100385 is the CASE number G44877 and should be NEG ground. That number is in my tech manual for 1965's and newer. The regulator number does not show up in my book.



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Duner Wi

05-26-2006 19:49:06




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Tom (Ks), 05-26-2006 17:44:58  
The regulator for 1100385 should be part # 1118991
according to my book. 1118901 is for gen. #1100371 used on 1959 310 and 420 crawler. Can"t find anything about polarity. I don"t believe reg.991 and 901 interchange per info I have.



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Tim in NB

05-27-2006 13:01:37




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Duner Wi, 05-26-2006 19:49:06  
Would you mind if I asked what book you have?



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630crazy

05-27-2006 12:48:02




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Gene Dotson, 05-25-2006 19:18:02  
For what it's worth, I am not a physicist so I can’t tell you if it's true or not. I read somewhere that one of the "Theories" behind the Positive ground system(or sometimes called Positive Earth if your in England) is that the electricity flows more naturally with a positive ground system, therefore when the spark arc’s the gap it produces a hotter spark and “supposedly” has less metal transfer making the plugs last longer. My guess is that whatever benefits they thought they had must not have panned out, because No one uses pos. ground anymore.

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Tim in NB

05-26-2006 07:26:04




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Gene Dotson, 05-25-2006 19:18:02  
Thanks Gene for the info, but I don"t have the serial number of the tractor that the regulator and generator came off of. I am actually putting these units on a tractor that was 6 volt. I figured that maybe the regulator or generator part number might pin point which ground was used.



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Mike in MI

05-25-2006 18:55:43




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Tim in NB, 05-25-2006 18:48:43  
Tim,
Not sure if this will help? I have a 530 case and it"s 12V negative Grd. Mike



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Tim in NB

05-26-2006 07:27:59




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Mike in MI, 05-25-2006 18:55:43  
Mike, you wouldn't happen to have any numbers off of your generator and regulator would you?



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Phil (NJ,Az,Sask)

05-28-2006 11:28:34




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Tim in NB, 05-26-2006 07:27:59  
Tim, Any generator/reg will operate +ve or -ve Ground. You just need to polarize correctly.

The important issue is matching "TYPE" of the Gen to the Reg,

The Type "A" Gen is seeking Field "Ground" provided by a type "A" Regulator.

The Type "B" Gen is seeking Field "Voltage" provided by the type "B" regulator.

One of the ways to determine if they match is to loosen the fan belt and Polarize (jumper Bat to Armature)with the Regulator connected. The Gen will MOTOR (rotate)only if the Field Type Matches. This can be done on the Bench and you may have to Help "Start" it motor (low Starting Torque)

If Gen & Reg don't match its easy to determine the type of Gen by "first" removing the connection (wire) at the Regulator "Field" .
You then Motor by jumpering BAT & Armature and touch the field wire (now loose in your hand) first to the Frame Ground, and then move it to BAT.

If the GEn motors when field is connected to Frame Ground its a type "A" Gen, If it motors when the field wire is connected to BAT its a type "B"

Hope this Helps,

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Tim in NB

05-29-2006 02:00:39




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 Re: 12 volt negative or positive ground in reply to Phil (NJ,Az,Sask), 05-28-2006 11:28:34  
Thanks, I will give this a try!



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