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Greg Gee

02-14-2002 13:59:40

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Hi,

I have a 1945 Oliver CleaTrac set up as a dozer. I aquired it when I bought a farm 2 years ago. I cannot seem to get it to turn over. I have tried using gallons of WD-40 and the like to free it up.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Someone once told me of an Army Depot where these engines could be had for a couple of hundred dollars in the crate and guaranteed. It's supposed to be somewhere in Ohio? Has anyone heard of that?

I'd like to get this machine running as it also came with a hydraulic box scraper and it sure would come in handy for scraping and for dozing ...

Thanks!
Greg <4gees@westpa.net>

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Mark

08-10-2003 13:48:19

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Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Greg Gee, 02-14-2002 13:59:40

Clutch parts for my dozer asap

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roberto del gato

12-02-2006 00:42:47

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Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Mark , 08-10-2003 13:48:19

Old Farmers Trick----pour BRAKE FLUID into the cylinders and let it saturate for 24 hours. use the brute force method to move the crank and it shoulf free up.
DO NOT RUN OR START THE ENGINE BEFORE YOU CHANGE THE OIL --good luck

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Micheel

02-21-2002 19:43:52

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Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Greg Gee, 02-14-2002 13:59:40

Hi,Greg I bought a backhoe with a stuck motor and after using WD-40, plus anything else we could come up with nothing worked.I decided TO USE A PIPE WRENCH ON THE SHAFT GOING TO THE Hyd, pump from the crank shaft pully and tap the pipe wrench with a hammer first one way then the other just untill it turned over free,after that it started right up,blew stuff everywhere. I used this backhoe for over one year. good luck. Michael

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jerry Gerthofer

02-15-2002 16:51:46

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Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Greg Gee, 02-14-2002 13:59:40

ya might have to pound out the pistons+rebuind the engine. if it;s froze up..... ..

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Robert Barbour

02-15-2002 18:03:01

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Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to jerry Gerthofer, 02-15-2002 16:51:46

If the Model you have is a DG, then it has a Hercules RXC engine and these were used in some WWII trucks, but the army engines are "High speed"
engines and run to 2200 RPM the tractor engines are set up for 1300 RPM. If you use an army engine you will have to change the camshaft and distributor to the one from the tractor to get proper low speed Torque!!

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Bill

02-16-2002 14:02:21

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Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Robert Barbour, 02-15-2002 18:03:01

I did the above....At least the error part... The man is CORRECT!!!!! These machines even with the correct low RPM engines are kinda fast moving for dozer work. Not to say they are not capable, THEY SURE ARE!!!! Tough old bears these machines. Continental gas engines will interchange but you still have to deal with the RPM problem. It's been a long time but I believe the Hercules XD5 was it? they put in these machines pumped out over a 100 horsepower at low rpm. Least thats what the manual said I used to rebuild the XD5 claimed... Seems like a lotta HP for the era but..... .

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Greg

02-17-2002 17:51:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Bill, 02-16-2002 14:02:21

Hey guys - I have more info now ... It's a Cletrac Model BGSH (I haven't found what the (H) stands for yet, unless it means hydraulic). It's a 6 cylinder and it's serial number starts with 9c062, which means it was manufactured in 1944. According to what someone wrote on or in the original manual, it says "Hercules QXD - 18004).

It is equipped with a "Heil Model HT-35 or (25) Hydraulic Trailbuilder with front mounted pump" ...

I haven't learned much about where the hydraulics at the rear of the crawler came from, but the box scraper is stored in one of my pastures, under tarp, and if memory serves me, it's a "New Idea" Box Scraper, also hydraulically operated, it's on wheels and tires.

Is this enough info to further help me out ?

Does anyone think that I could hook onto it with a adequately powered machine and tow it in neutral, at least out of my barn ? ... And what could happen if I popped it into gear while towing it, would that free anything up or make it that much worse ... ???

Greg <4gees@westpa.net>

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Ben Goddard

02-17-2002 08:47:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Bill, 02-16-2002 14:02:21

My son found an old MG rotting in a field and bought it. Motor was stuck. An old time mechanic suggested he use "Gibbs Seize" which comes in a spray can for about $9.00. He sprayed it in cylinders and let it set an hour or so and, I swear, - he got the motor to turn! I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself. I now use Gibbs for all "loosening" projects.

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Esev

02-17-2002 18:34:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Ben Goddard, 02-17-2002 08:47:02

Cletrac model BGSH - The B is the model number, the G means it's a gas engine, the SH stands for "side hill" meaning it has a wider track stance for logging, and side hill applications. My serial number book gives 9C062 as the beginning serial number for year 1947. Look for serial number plate under cowl, on front of gas tank, on right side of tractor. I think I would pull the head and the pan, and see what I got. If your lucky, once you've freed it, you might get away with a bearing check, and a valve job, but that's if you're real lucky !

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Greg

02-17-2002 19:25:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Esev, 02-17-2002 18:34:39

This site has an area that says this is the start of the 1944 series ...

Greg

Will there be light at the end of the tunnel ....

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Robert Barbour

02-17-2002 21:04:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Greg, 02-17-2002 19:25:20

The BG is smaller than the DG. It should have a Hercules JXD engine with 4" bore and 4 1/4" stroke with a governed RPM of 1530. The Studebaker 6x6 of WWII used the high speed version of this engine and surplus parts are available for them. Check out the Cletrac.org site for info!!

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Esev

02-18-2002 06:10:54

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Robert Barbour, 02-17-2002 21:04:33

Greg, Look again at the serial listing on this site. They have made a typo. They show the first six years as being 1944. Count back from the 1950 year, and it comes out to 1947. Locate that serial plate on your tractor, and tell us the actual serial number. It will also give you the actual model. There should also be an ID plate on the engine which will identify which Hercules motor it has. I don't have my book in front of me, but I think Robert is right, it's a JXD, or JXE. These were used in several gas engine trucks of the day.

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Greg

02-18-2002 17:05:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1945 Gasoline Oliver Cleatrac in reply to Esev, 02-18-2002 06:10:54

I was at the farm today, but was not dressed to be climbing around the engine compartment. I was also going by the handwriting in the original Operator's Instruction Book, although I don't know who wrote in it.

The Book says Model BGS, but the handwritten info says BGSH 1944, with Hercules QXD 18004 motor.

I will be getting into the engine compartment soon enough though ... when I was in it the other day it was stamped BGSH 9c062 (note the small "c") - but I didn't find the plate on the engine - The manual shows a plate above the model plate that should have the actual engine (JXD, in the manual photo) but there's no plate at that location on my Cletrac, I'll try to find the one on the engine itself.

Is there such an engine as a QXD ?

You're probably very correct about the year, since the manual is "Second Edition Nov. 1945)

According to the manual for the HEIL Model HT-35 Hydraulic Trailbuilder - "The HT-35 Trailbuilder and the HB-35 Bulldozer are shipped completely assembled and installed on the tractor ready for operation." This manual has a printed dated of May 30, 1944, and it also states that it is for the Cletrac Model BDH. I suppose it is possible that they put one of these on a BGSH ...

I was speaking with an owner/mechanic/operator today that has heard of "Gibbs Sieze", but didn't know where to locate any ... he said that he uses Pepsi and transmission fluid to free up engines. He has 9 with wenches that he pulls wells with. His oldest being a 1928.

And I was also wrong about the box scraper being a "New Idea" ... dead wrong! It is a Garwood Industries, Model 23, and it rolls on Goodyear 10 ply, 9.00 x 20 Earthmover tires - I wish that I'd find that manual laying arounf the farm too.

I'm anxious to get these into operation as I have a load of work for them - I also have to locate a Cletrac greaser/lubricator tank - looks like it holds 3 to 4 gallons of lube(grease?).

I sure do appreciate all the responses that have been posted and I'm looking forward to more helpful ones to come.

Thanks everyone!

Greg

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