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reefsan

12-13-2002 16:26:31

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Have just cleared 3 acres of timber down to the stumps (6-20 inches) and want to make a pasture on my new england rocky farm. Am thinking of getting a small dozer to dig the stumps out. Would an old john deere 40, 420, MC etc be strong enough or what would be a better machine or a better way to get them out without spending a lot of $ (or doing it by hand) Any suggestions would be appreciated.Thanks.

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Russ

11-07-2003 16:32:44

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

STUMPED; LOCATE A GOOD SIZE EXCAVATOR WITH A THUMB AND GET A FEW ESTIMATES FROM A COUPLE COMPANIES. IT THE COST IS TOO HIGH WAIT FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS FOR MOST OF THEM TO ROT DOWN. KEEP TRIMMING OUT THE NEW UNDERGROWTH.

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case poor in pa

12-25-2002 17:52:00

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

wow i didnt read all the posts. my head was swimming with all the answers . heck here in pa we just let them cows walk around them stumps in the pasture.. keeps them occupied.

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Ben Reif

12-22-2002 13:37:30

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Wow Dad, really looks like you have gotten alot of feedback. I guess that the dozer idea is out of the question. the backhoe idea makes sense to me because you are able to get alot more leverage by getting under the stump. It also seems that it would have less impact on the land. I am curious to see what route you decide to take (hire vs. self and type of machine to use). it has been fun checking this out Dad. Love ya Ben

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Dan in Ore

12-20-2002 07:24:00

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Rent or hire a D-6 to D-8 size machine with a parallelogram ripper on it. Run the ripper around at least 3 sides of the stump, do all 4 if you have the time. This will cut the roots off. You then pop the stump off and that is all there is. No huge hole and rocks where the stump was and the stump is much easier to handle, bury, load, pile for burning or whatevere you decide to do with them. I've done it this way before, and if you are not going to do some deep tillage (which you shouldn't have to do putting it in pasture) then the roots don't matter. Just my $0.02 worth.

Dan

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Murray

12-16-2002 13:35:04

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

From what I have read of your other posts if they are mostly pine as you say in what was a wooded area then you dont need a big machine like a D6 or a big excavator. Could have done what this job sounds like with my old D3 with not much proublem. my D5c would not require much if any diging on pine stumps of this size that were in a wooded area on the type of land you discribe. single trees out in the open usually root much tighter as they have to stand the wind. Pine and soft woods for the most part give up fairly easily where as a Elm of even small size say 8 to 10 inches is very tough to get out. The worst stump I have ever removed was a willow about 3 feet thick and took an hour and a half of diging and the stump was about 12' wide when I got it out. I won't do that again that one should of had an excavator. An excavator can remove tough stumps much faster and with less mess. but unless the excavator has a thump to move them the dozer would be better for this job. Just my 2 cents

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Hurley JD

12-16-2002 12:58:10

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Plant your grass seed and leave the stumps alone. Most of the grass seed will sprout on top of the ground without being covered. Pine will rot out very quickly and there is not much regrowth to it. Now I am speaking about pine in East Texas.

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reefsan

12-16-2002 03:33:57

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Hey everyone, I really appreciate all the opinions and suggestions. probably has saved me a lot of time and money. Maybe I should get a few goats and pigs or bite the bullet and hire someone. Or buy a good machine and re-sell it after using it for everything and anything on the farm. Thanks again...

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AGEN

12-15-2002 21:28:39

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Reefsan,
Just my $.02: Dad has a Case 650G dozer (85 hp w/ 18 inch track pads) that would be perfect for that. Lower on corner of the blade and a 6 inch stump can be pushed out in no time. A dozer's the way to go. I can't imagine being able to dig up a 20 inch stump faster with a backhoe than pushing it out with a dozer. Once they're dug up, dig one or two deep holes and shove'em in. If you wanna, burn them in the hole and then cover 'em up. I think trying to dig out a 20 inch stump with a MC would be about as slow as digging it up with a shovel. (Could be fun though) However, a big enough dozer (which is what I'd go with) will cost you way too much and buying a ragged out backhoe or small dozer is just asking for trouble and headaches. Overall, if you don't have the equipment right now, I'd just hire someone to do it for you. You can hire a big enough dozer for $50 to $75 an hour around here and that amount of work is no more than a day's worth. You'll write the man a check and you'll be done with it...no headaches required. Like I said, just my $.02 (and that's about what its worth)

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forget the d-6 or 8

12-15-2002 18:01:46

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

if you want to have even a morsel of topsoil left, forget the giant bulldozer. The idea of the excavator is that you can shake the topsoil off and then bury them. A bulldozer is fine if you are just going to push them into a big heap and look at them the next hundred years. Yup...an excavator is slower than a dozer, but they're a whole lot more nimble than a rubber tired machine in that environment

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Rent a D6 or D8 or Hire Someone Who has One

12-15-2002 06:37:36

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

It would take an eternity to dig out 175 tree stumps with a backhoe. A Cat D6 could do it in a few hours no problem. You could also dig out a hole and push the stumps in cover it up and problem solved. Here in California you can get a D6 and an operator for $ 200.00 per hour. Do not screw around with toy dozers you need at least a D6 or a D8 would be even better.

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reefsan

12-15-2002 05:43:24

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Hey all, your advice is getting through. Sounds like I better forget the dozer idea fast..so its hire or buy backhoe or excavator..we're talking mostly pine tree stumps around 10-18" about 175 of them with a sloping land (Winsted, CT.) and lots of rocks.What about those stump grinders? What's a minimum size, brand, and model of an older backhoe? (I couldn't go near the cost of an excavator). Thanks for putting up with my lack of knowledge.

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digger

12-16-2002 10:53:40

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Re: Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-15-2002 05:43:24

Rent or buy a good excavator MUCH MUCH better than a dozer for this work I run equipment for a living and in my 25 years of experience i can do clear faster and cleaner than with a dozer get at least a CAT 312 size machine this is my favorite machine in our fleet you can rent one with a stumpbuster attachment here in Westchester County in NY for about 500 a day and it would take me about 3 days to do that work so figure about 6 or 7 for yourself (no offense intended) call up W.I. Clark and see what they get for a JD 120 or a 160 with a stump buster and see what you can do with it.... That is my PROFFESIONAL opinion!

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erndog

12-14-2002 20:01:05

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

do not even think about pulling stumps of any size with a 3 pt mtd backhoe. they are not made for that kind of work and can be dangerous. you may also break the casting on the tractor where the 3rd link hooks. i had one on a 2 cylinder deere and then on a 4020. best only for light digging. also have a small dozer which is alright for small stumps or brush but lilke the majority say save yourself some aggravation and hire yourself an excavator. good luck.

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AMG

12-14-2002 19:30:00

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Reefsfan, The suggestion of hiring it out to someone with the right machine is right on in my book( I was in the same boat as you). 2 years ago I cleared about 2-3 acres of overgrowth in typical New England rocky soil. My backhoe was not up to popping 100+ stumps so I got a not too old Cat to do the job. I had a lot of fun, but the expense of a crawler tractor is high. Unless you have a lot to do with a machine, it would be cheaper in the long run to hire it out(wish I would have learned this a while ago). An older crawler as you suggested probably would not have enough ummph to do any serious stumping and may turn into a large money pit. Have you thought about having the stumps ground up? It is probably neater, don't have to dig up the ground a whole lot. Where in rocky New England are you located? Whatever you decide, good luck. Having a dozer can be a real asset, but it can also be a real PIA.

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GET AN EXCAVATOR

12-14-2002 18:53:33

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

If you have time for one more opinion....nothing in quicker than a mid-size excavator (15,000 lb or so )with a blade. The mini-s are too light for 3 acres worth, and you'd probably break someting. Rubber tired bachoes are OK, but you cannot set something behind yourself. That can be a huge advantage. Here in NH, it is legal to bury your own stumps on your own land. That is something to consider also. Three acres of second or third growth forest will produce hundreds of stumps. Once you get at it, you'll be shocked at the number. With a blade, you can curl the bucket with a stump against it and waltz off with enormous stumps, or dig a hole and push 'em in right where you sit. Have fun....

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READ MEE!!!!!!!

12-14-2002 16:36:29

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

DEFINITELY USE A BACKHOE. YOU CAN DIG OUT THE LITTLE ONES WITH ONE SCOOP. SHAKEM AND DROPEM PICKUM UP AND PILEM FOR BURNING. YOU CAN DIG OUT THE BIGGEST STUMPS WITH A BACHOE HEAVY ENUF TO BREAK THE ROOTS. MAY HAVE GET DOWN IN THERE WITH A CHAIN SAW. USING A DOZER IS LIKE BEATING YOUR HEAD AGIN A STUMP BILL H

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Robert in W. Mi.

12-14-2002 08:15:54

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

I have a Case 450 and have dug/pushed out a lot of stumps. "If" i didn't own my own dozer, i'd either hire it done, or rent the equipment to do the job. I don't think i'd buy a "old" dozer to do the job, unless you have a lot of time and good mechanical knowledge. PLAN on working on it! Robert

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reefsan

12-14-2002 05:31:06

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Thanks for the advice guys. Sounds like for the money I would be better off buying a backhoe attachment for my john deere 420 utility (3 point hitch) or finding an old backhoe/loader machine, using it and then re-selling it. What do you think about that idea?

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VaTom

12-14-2002 11:21:12

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Re: Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-14-2002 05:31:06

Hey reefsan,

I also have a 3 point type backhoe, mounted on rails that extend under the tractor (much better than 3 point). It isn't your answer. Great for trenching or landscaping but not enough oomph for decent stumps. I'm headed out this pm to look at a Case full-sized backhoe. Got a guy who's interested in my little Ford hoe and I'm thinking about trading up and getting another tractor in the bargain. Not exactly even money of course. Just watch out that you don't get a hoe that's worn out. My start in buying machinery was not a lot different from yours. Got a job? Get a tool. Good luck.

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Doug

12-14-2002 04:58:41

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Stump removal with a Dozer is possible if you're not in a hurry ., I have a 1969 JD 350 with a angle blade whitch ia a necessity The work is hard on the equipment but take your time and it can be done I have taken about 40 stumps out around here varing in sizes from 12 in. to 3 feet in the last year I now have a backhoe to do some of the digging on the large ones then push them out with the dozer., You could hire it done and get work done faster, But i get a little satisfaction in doing it my self and i'm not in no hurry. Help this helps

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Max

12-13-2002 18:46:53

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Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to reefsan, 12-13-2002 16:26:31

Several years ago I had a TD6 International. I tried it once on an elm tree stump that measured about 12" across the stump and was about the same out of the ground. I worked about an hour and a half digging around that stump in a triangular pattern before I got the stump broke loose to push out of the hole I had dug. When I got that stump out of the hole it was about 10 feet tall. And the worst part about it was that I was completely exhausted from operating the steering hand clutches and the main clutch. During this era of my life I was working at a Case Power and Equipment store as a Contruction equipment tech. I used to use the Case Equipment to do the same job to test repairs made. WHat I found out was you needed at least 80 hp crawler to get that stump out quicker and the big plus was you had the power to break the stump off sooner so you wouldn't have to go as deep. Another thing was that the torque convertor put more power to push it out easier, kind of like using a pneumatic impact gun compared to a hand ratchet. The best tool I seen for removing stumps was a 'stump ripper' attachment for the dozer blade. These were for 130 hp crawlers and would be fitted to the left front corner of the blade. It had a vertical cutting blade that extended out about 8 feet in front of the blade that was angled down from the blade height to about a hieght of 6 inches, then a horizontal blade with a cutting edge would angle back to the center of the dozer blade. The idea of this blade was to split the stump apart in small pieces until it was gone while. This blade would remove the stump to about 12 inches below ground level and thus avoiding the usual sink holes associated with removing the stump by the roots. The only problem with this blade one the crawler was it was extremely hard on final drives, especially the left side. Good luck on your stump removal.

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Gus

12-14-2002 03:01:42

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Re: Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to Max, 12-13-2002 18:46:53

Hire or rent an excavator. Backhoe, hydra-hoe etc.You will get it done faster, cleaner.

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richard

12-14-2002 05:08:43

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Re: Re: Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to Gus, 12-14-2002 03:01:42

i have a440 john deer it a great machine but not near big unnof to to push that maney stumps. the only way to do this with asmall dozer is dig around them amd take the coner of the blade and try to push them out.this is real hard on a small dozer the best way to this is push the tree over before you cut it in to log or wood lehgth.or you can cut a high stump this give you some leverih where you can raise the blade up and push on the stump.good luck and be carful.

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VaTom

12-14-2002 05:33:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: stump removal with dozer in reply to richard, 12-14-2002 05:08:43

I had a JD 440 loader that was OK until I tried to work good-sized trees with it. Got real fast replacing bearings in the final drive. Too much practice. Traded up to a Cat 933. At 8 tons it does pretty well. Also is balanced enough that it'll stall before anything breaks. My 80' trees always get pushed over with the tops on to avoid those stump problems. I've dug out a few oak stumps, not yet rotted, from previous logging and it wasn't much fun. Biggest one was around 6 tons. Nearly couldn't get it in the truck. My old 440 would have probably died of fright just looking at it.

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