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Cat 977H

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Tom in Tennesse

11-09-2005 06:58:39




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Just bought an old 977.

1) The trans dip stick shows it needs some oil. What type of oil should I be using. The person that sold it to me said 10W non detergent oil. I haven"t been able to find it. Is there another name? The nearest Cat dealership is a ways off.

2) The rear sprockets have segments on them with 4 bolts and the track only uses every other indent. The next indent has a faily flat top and the ones being used are almost pointed. Is that by design?

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Tom

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Bob/Ont

11-09-2005 12:32:59




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 Re: Cat 977H in reply to Tom in Tennessee, 11-09-2005 06:58:39  
Tom you want the equivilent to Cat TDTO4 30 for the trans and bevelgear, steering clutches too if they are oil type/Peddal Steer. The reason the sprockets are worn that way is they have an even # of teeth. Later tractors where designed with an odd # of teeth to get more sprocket life. Later Bob



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Tom in Tennessee

11-09-2005 12:54:29




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 Re: Cat 977H in reply to Bob/Ont, 11-09-2005 12:32:59  
Thanks Bob,

How do you know when you have to change the segments? Is the design such that you could advance them one indent and then have basically new segments?

Thanks,

Tom



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ajk

11-10-2005 02:13:44




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 977H in reply to Tom in Tennessee, 11-09-2005 12:54:29  
Tom,you are on the right lines about advanceing the sprocket so it runs in the unused teeth,the idea of even numbered sprocket teeth was that you ran in the same teeth till the pins and bushes were turned then you ran in the unused teeth with the turned P&Bs it did not work very well,but that came from the days before segements,it saved taking track frames off and pulling sprockets ect,slacken off the track,reverse back so you get a bit of slack at the back,lift the machine up as high as you can on the bucket,put a block in under the track near the sprocket and let the machine down the sprocket will go up,when it clears the chain advance one tooth so the chain will run in the unused teeth,take the block out and track forward and the slack will go to the front,adjust the track,when the 977H came out new in 1960 the oil used in the engine and power train was the same,series 3 30wt oil.
AJ

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Tom in Tennessee

11-10-2005 05:23:05




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 Re: Cat 977H in reply to Billy NY, 11-09-2005 17:39:52  
Thanks for all the help. The year is supposed to be 1965 serial number 53A5937. It is a pedal steer. Man does it have power! It just walks right over "stuff"!

The chain appears to have the right amount of tension based upon the guidelines in the undercarriage basics manual. 1 1/2" -- 2" between the last top idler pulley and the front idler. I will have to try and measure the track to see if it appears to be stretched. I"m thinking based upon some of the wear showing on the idler pulleys and the track that this track has been put on. (The wear on the track pins is not hitting the track rollers.)

The Cat service manual I bought does not address the rear sprockets at all? Nor does it show anything about fluids or lubricants, or grease fittings???

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Billy NY

11-10-2005 06:52:44




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 Re: Cat 977H in reply to Tom in Tennessee, 11-10-2005 05:23:05  
It could be a combination of track components that are worn pins/bushings & links,(rails)that may be causing the track to be loose. That measurement at the carrier roller for tension sounds about right,it's the same on my D7. I've ran tractors that the sprocket slipped in the chain, they were so loose, which is close to being run to destruction as is commonly referred to, some the outfits I worked for would run them that far gone until they decided to replace the undercarrriage, I think it's best to stay on top of things and measure at regular intervals and address worn parts sooner. When you measure everything and see what you have,it may be possible to identify where money is best spent to gain hours from the undercarriage, without having to replace everything at once.

Check the end of the pins and see if they are worn from hitting the bottom roller flanges, a "clunky" riding machine will be a sign of this as when they really start bumping you can feel in in the seat. This is a sign that the track links/rails are worn, rollers could be fine. It's not much, like a fraction of an inch worn from new height, the spec.'s will tell you.

That is strange,older machines, you would need the Operators Instructions, Serviceman's Reference Book and Parts Catalog, to have the complete information for your serial number machine, I'm not sure if that breakdown changed for a machine from the 60's, I've ran a lot of machines newer than that by 5-10 years and recall the manuals in the shop vaguely, forget how they were broken down.

Caterpillar Legendary Service Literature 1-800-228-7821. Call and reference your serial number, to see what manuals they offer, they are good quality reproductions, also check e-bay ( link below ) for originals, lots of them up for auction. The track specifications/dimensions might be easily obtained by inquiring on one of the below listed websites, lot of those guys have the undercarriage books. Reference your serial number.

977 is a good machine based on the hours I've spent on them at work, but my knowlege is limited to operator experience and some undercarriage basics, keep Bob posted, he's very helpful and knows the components on so many of these Cat's, he's a real asset to the forums when someone needs help, not sure how he finds the time.


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