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wide front and hydraulics for a B ?

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riverbend

02-28-2007 17:01:43




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I know that I should just forget about this, but in looking for a decent block for my SC, I came across a B that looks like it would be handier for cultivating than the SC. The B also looks a lot less dangerous than the As.

Would the wide front from the C fit on the B ?

Did they every put a hydraulic pump on a B ?

Thanks

Greg




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Nat 2

03-01-2007 05:57:17




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 17:01:43  
Mythbusters:

1. Myth: The A/Super A is unstable. Myth Busted: It is no less stable than any other row crop tractor. There is supposed to be a heavy hub on the right rear wheel to balance the offset engine. If that hub is not there, pass on the tractor. Operation of the tractor has a lot to do with how stable the tractor is. If you go bouncing down through a rough field on a side hill in 4th with the throttle wide open, you deserve what you get.

2. Myth: Wide front ends make the tractor more stable.
Myth Busted: Wide front ends pivot in the middle. By the time the front end hits pivot limit, it's too late. The tractor is already on its side. What a wide front gives you is a smoother ride because most of the time, only one wheel is hitting a bump.

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CNKS

02-28-2007 18:25:52




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 17:01:43  
Why would you want a wide front on a B, that's what the A is for. The only way that a B would be handier to cultivate with than a C, is that due to the offset design, you can see more of what you are cultivating. Particularly with very close cultivation, where you look at only one row or at most one side of the cultivator, you have to look back and forth to the other side to make sure it's working right. I cultivated one summer with a B, 1950. It was fine. The rest of my years on our vegetable farm was all done with an H. I prefer the H, probably because I spent more time on it. I don't agree with people that say the B should not have been built, it fit the purpose for which it was designed -- but it is now a dated design, and the C was a superior tractor from the start.

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riverbend

02-28-2007 18:49:13




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to CNKS, 02-28-2007 18:25:52  
The wide front lets me straddle a row of winter squash or tomatoes once they start to vine out. The A always looked like it would tip over if you turned to the right. I'm sure they wouldn't, but they just do not look right either.



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CNKS

02-28-2007 19:25:46




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 18:49:13  
That's why the right wheel is heavier than the left -- I have a Super A, and although Kansas is "flat", I can't see any problem. My dad used all sorts of row spacings, all our Farmalls had single fronts. But, most of our settings were 80 inches, the maximum spacing for the H. That means you can straddle two 40 inch rows and run the front between the rows. The C will do the same thing. Of course, if the plants are large, and borderline in size for cultivation, the front is one more wheel to hit something with, but a single front should not cause problems. We had squash, also a few tomatoes (they tended to mature too late and freeze in south Texas), but most of our wide spaced crops were bell peppers, eggplant, and cantalope. If you plant two rows on, say, a 40 inch bed, then you do need a wide front. The problem with either the A or B is the difficulty in changing row spacing, the H and C, etc are much easier to move the wheels.

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gene bender

02-28-2007 18:04:09




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 17:01:43  
Some used the CHAR-LYNN POWER PAC for hy. I have a cult for a B that used this pump not hard to do you just need the lever set-up for the exhaust lift. Which cult for the B do you have?



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riverbend

02-28-2007 18:53:56




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to gene bender, 02-28-2007 18:04:09  
I don't have a cultivator of a B. It looked like the triangular bolt pattern on the front end was the same as the C.

Does the B cultivator use the same sort of cylinder set up as an H ?

Greg



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gene bender

02-28-2007 21:45:39




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 18:53:56  
Ccult wont work on the B anyway as there is no way to lift. Narrow tires on the B with wide front from an A would make a pretty good set-up But moving the treadwidth on the A would work fine but you need the A-437 cult on the A for good results just what are your spacings? Its not realy that hard to change rears on the A. I use the A-437 to do two 30in rows i could do three if needed.



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gene bender

02-28-2007 21:37:06




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 18:53:56  
bolt pattern is diff and the B used the exhaust system for lifting same system was on the A.



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Red Dave

02-28-2007 17:19:37




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 17:01:43  
The steering box and wide front from a C would bolt on a B, but the steering shaft comes out on the wrong side of the tractor. Wide front from an A would be a lot better and easier fit.

No B came from the factory with hydraulics, but there are several aftermarket and who knows how many homemade ways that it has been done. Easiest way is to drive a hydraulic pump off the PTO, but it wouldn't be "live".

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riverbend

02-28-2007 19:01:38




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to Red Dave, 02-28-2007 17:19:37  
I would want to take the wide front off my C and put it on the B. I'd leave the steering boxes as is. As I recall, the bottom of the upper bolster had two empty holes infront of the four where the lower bolster bolts on. They would take the center arm that holds the inner tie rod ends. I should have looked underneigth to see of there were tapped holes to hold the saddle for the pivot for wide top tube.

Greg

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L Mack

03-07-2007 14:36:07




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 19:01:38  
The wide front end from a C may work on the B. Cultivating with the B will not be as easy as with the C. You can only see one row well with the B and that was one reason it was dropped in favor of the C. Also, finding the parts needed including tool bars which are different for the B is difficult. The c, Super C, 200, 230, and 240 were made up through the late 1950's and many more were made. The front tool bars were changed for the C and were not forward compatible from those made for the B. The tool bars were changed again for the 230 and 240 to accomodate exterior hydraulics and the tool bars were more like the ones used for the H, M, 300, and 400 (the bent rectangular bars gave way to round straight bars) but the old c cultivator tool bars could be used up through the 240 with slight modification for the exterior hydraulics and a longer control rod for the planter and distributor chain drive cut off.

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old

02-28-2007 17:17:37




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 Re: wide front and hydraulics for a B ? in reply to riverbend, 02-28-2007 17:01:43  
From what I have been told there was never hyds on a B, but theres ways to add them. I had one I used a Chev power steering pump on to get hyds for a sickle mower I built to fit it and it worked good



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