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This Red thing, what is it?

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BLinWMi

03-15-2007 19:27:52




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OK need some red advice, aunt is in nursing home and left me a barn with an old IH in it. It has 2 to many cylinders for me to know much about it. But I have concluded it is a B or BN, I think. It is narrow front, four cylinder, four speed, no belt pulley, PTO and small shaft with pulley. The operator sits side sattle of the goofy thing. The whole seat and platform are on the right side of the engine. Has a big wide drawbar frame. I have looked all over the thing for a serial number tag and find nothing so I don't even know what it is. It runs good, battery is shot but it starts on 2nd crank by hand. It has a distributor, it looks factory but I kind of figured the tractor was to old to have dist. what ya think this little toy is?

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va. transplant

03-22-2007 19:09:53




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
Judging from the description, I would say it is a BN. My uncle has one and I believe that that is exactly like what he has. It has been a number of years since I've seen it but if memory serves me correctly you have a BN.



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A. Bohemian

03-16-2007 07:34:19




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
Didn"t the B have "bull gears" drive the rear wheels? I don"t know if a Cub or 140 has those.



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Red Dave

03-16-2007 06:22:48




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
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Put your hand between the right-hand seat support and the right-side fender. If the is room for your hand (about 4 inches), it is a B, if the seat support is mounted on the same bolts as the fender you won't be able to get your hand in there, which would make it a BN.

OR:

Look at the Picture. Measure the differential shaft housing as shown in the pic. If it is 22 inches long, it is a B, if it is 18 inches long, it is a BN.

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Harold H

03-16-2007 04:41:02




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
If it has a tricycle front and both rear axles are the same length, it must be a B or a BN. The serial number plate normally would be on the left seat support but it sounds like your seat may have been changed. Look for the engine serial number and look for some casting codes on the major castings to determine age. If one rear axle is longer than the other it might be a Cub, or a A or later model that someone has modified and removed the WFA and made it into a tricycle. There are a few of these modified tractors around, but not many.

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Harold H

03-16-2007 04:46:35




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to Harold H, 03-16-2007 04:41:02  
A Cub has a flat head four. All of the others of this offset design, (B, BN, A, SA, 100, 130, 140), have a over head valve four cylinder engine.



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El Toro

03-16-2007 04:09:03




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
Post a picture of it. Hal



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Thack

03-16-2007 01:54:56




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
Sounds like it might be a 140.



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IH2444

03-16-2007 05:33:08




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to Thack, 03-16-2007 01:54:56  
Yep maybe a 140 from the description of the seat and stuff.



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georgeky

03-16-2007 06:12:46




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to IH2444, 03-16-2007 05:33:08  
How many 140s around have tricycle front ends?



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Ih4444

03-16-2007 07:00:50




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to georgeky, 03-16-2007 06:12:46  
Good point George, had forgotten that.
A B with a different seat then ? Or a mix n match ?
Is this tractor even offset ? don't think I heve ever seen an offest with a narrow front.
I am lost on this thread....



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georgeky

03-16-2007 07:37:23




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to Ih4444, 03-16-2007 07:00:50  
The seat and steering wheel are. Come over to the house and you can see one. You never responded to my post. Do you have Cecil's old 2444 that had the duel wheel's on it?



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IH2444

03-16-2007 08:44:40




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to georgeky, 03-16-2007 07:37:23  
Sorry I did not reply, yes I have Cecils old tracotr, no duals though, he had put 26" combine one piece wheels on it. I bought Cecils place, drop by if you want, I am in the shop most evenings.



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georgeky

03-16-2007 12:43:08




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to IH2444, 03-16-2007 08:44:40  
I thought that was the case. I was by your place a couple days ago on my 666 with the loader on it. I have spent a lot of time messing around with Cecil. I would really love to have that old I4 he had. I have a corn planter I got from him. My uncle has plow and mower for C that Cecil boght new with his C. I will stop by sometime that old B is setting here in my yard.



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gots-2-go

03-15-2007 20:48:00




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
Check above the #1 spark plug (near the front of the tractor)for a flat area aboout 1/2 inch by 3 inches a serial number is stamped into that area.

If the engine has not been changed over the years it should read something like FAB then the numbers for a Farmall B, or FABN then the numbers for a Farmall BN.

Sometimes you may have to clean this area with a scotch brite pad or light grit sandpaper in order to read it.

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J L Tractors

03-15-2007 19:48:53




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 19:27:52  
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Does it look like this? Check out the photo link to the left.



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BLinWMi

03-15-2007 20:50:39




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to J L Tractors, 03-15-2007 19:48:53  
Yes that picture is very similiar except for the seat, it does not have a pan seat. It has a square cushion seat with a padded back. the toolbox is right below the seat. I am almost sure the seat is factory, it looks and fits to well to be anything else. Did they make a model after the letter series that would have an updated seat. I looked over the tractor from top to bottom and did not see a serial tag anywhere.

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NDS

03-16-2007 09:00:48




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 20:50:39  
A John Deere box seat works great on A or B with some slight fabrication could be what you have or could be 140 seat they are very similar to John Deere in fact 140 cushion will fit some JD box seats.



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BLinWMi

03-15-2007 21:19:58




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 20:50:39  
man, I looked at all 30 of the BN pics and it is so similiar but not quite. Mine has small holes in the side of the hood where emblems used to be instead of decals, it looks like holes for attachment pins. You can still see the outline of the emblem in the paint. The seat is definately different and I believe the shifter is different, it is in the same location but not as large a base that the shift lever comes out from. wonderinf if maybe it was a series newer than the BN, was there such a thing?

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Nat 2

03-16-2007 05:13:18




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 21:19:58  
No, they discontinued the B in 1947, and never built another tractor like it.

Either your description is being lost in translation, or you have a "mutt," a tractor that was customized for a particular purpose.

Details, details, details: Look carefully at it from behind. Is the left rear tire closer to the engine than the right?

On the front: Are both tires connected to a single pedestal, about 6" apart?

Under the gas tank: What is there? Nothing? A box with arms sticking out from under the tank?

You could have a B or BN, but you mention that the hood looks like it has had metal emblems in it. Can you read what the emblems used to say?

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BLinWMi

03-16-2007 07:30:00




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to Nat 2, 03-16-2007 05:13:18  
The emblems are long gone, but they shape is pressed into the paint. The shape of the emblem reminds me of the aluminum ones I have seen on tractors such as a 504. It is about a foot long, wider on the top than the bottom. With details like the padded square seat and the emblems on the hood, it just seems like it must be a model newer than a B/BN. Was hoping I could figure it out but may have to get more info/pics next time I go up home.

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Nat 2

03-16-2007 12:26:49




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-16-2007 07:30:00  
BL,

That little detail makes the tractor a 1960's era 140.

A 140 should be offset with the left rear wheel closer to the engine than the right. The front end should be a wide type, with tie rods and such, offset like the rear wheels, with the left front wheel closer to the engine.

If it has a tricycle/narrow front end on it, and the rear wheels are the same distance from the engine, it's a mutt. Someone may have put a 140 hood and seat on a Farmall B. Someone may have used several Farmall B parts to convert a 140 for a specific purpose.

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John M

03-16-2007 03:20:18




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 Re: This Red thing, what is it? in reply to BLinWMi, 03-15-2007 21:19:58  
Could it possibly be A Cub.



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