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Roosa-master Injection Pump

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georgeky

03-20-2007 21:44:15




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I have a 350 diesel that set in the barn for about a year with a broke sun gear in it. When I got that fixed and ran the tractor for a while the pump started leaking around the throttle shaft I assumed there was a o ring that had dried up and started leaking. Having very little experience with pumps I took it to diesel service shop and they wanted 600 dollars to fix it minimum and if anything else was wrong could go to 1000 or maybe 1200. This is ridiculas for what I am sure is a o ring. Last week there was a Blue Ribbon service manual on ebay so I bought it and I am about to have a go at it myself. Why is it so expensive to have these worked on? It doesn't seem to matter what is wrong your going to pay through the nose.The last one I took to have fixed was of my 7610 Ford and it cost 948 dollars to fix it. I figured the worse that could happen is have to take it to them to have it fixed if I can't in which case i will be out 22 extra dollars for the book. Any tips besides the obvious one which is take it to the shop. Thanks guys.

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Kytomcat

03-21-2007 07:10:18




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-20-2007 21:44:15  
You might try realdiesel.com, and ask them for a quote. They do a lot of injection pump work, and service all kinds of pumps, including yours. there are a couple of other sites as well and it could be that they may be cheaper than a local shop due to high volumn of work.



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Randy in NE

03-21-2007 05:00:12




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-20-2007 21:44:15  
You can give my brother a call at DL Diesel in South Sioux City, NE. His number is 800-419-1738. I'm quite sure that he can rebuild the pump for a lot less than $600.00. If the only problem is the o-ring, you have the manual, and it is simple enough, then go for it.



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Superdave57

03-21-2007 17:24:07




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to Randy in NE, 03-21-2007 05:00:12  
Randy, I know of your brother if it is Denny? My hometown is up that way. I heard when he started his own business, a lot of people that took him work before followed him. It's a small world.



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georgeky

03-21-2007 06:27:55




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to Randy in NE, 03-21-2007 05:00:12  
Randy I am going to dive right in and see how bad I can screw it up. This looks to be a great manual and have lots of patience when it comes to tractors. I don't beleive it will be much trouble. I already have the pump on the kitchen table awaiting its fate. Thanks all



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Owen Aaland

03-21-2007 14:51:44




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-21-2007 06:27:55  
As long as you are going into the pump you may want to consider replacing all the o-rings and seals. The flexible washer like piece that holds the weight retainer to the drive plate is especially prone to failure.

Hopefully you cleaned the outside of the pump well before removing from the tractor. There are a number of special tools listed but you should be able to get by without them. I use a hog pan with a couple of inches of stoddard solvent in it and put all the pieces in there as I remove them. Clean diesel will also work, just smells a bit more and is a little oilier. The only adjustment you will need to upset is the rod the the governor spring rides on. Crack the lock nut loose and the count the number of turns it takes to remove the rod. Write this down so you have it when you are reassembling the pump. All the other adjustments you should be able to leave alone. Take your time and take note of anything you are not completely sure of as you take it apart.

Keep everything clean and follow the manual and you should have no problem.

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georgeky

03-21-2007 15:47:44




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to Owen Aaland, 03-21-2007 14:51:44  
Owen, Thanks for the tips. I don't think it will be a problem, but I appreciate everyones input except the guy that is down on tobacco farmers. I dont see what any of that had to do with the price of eggs. Thanks again.



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scotty

03-21-2007 04:38:18




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-20-2007 21:44:15  
Mornin George, I would have done the same thing you did, turn aroubd and walk straight towards the door!!! Like you say, get the manual and give it a go !

Last year when I rebuilt my Super A I knew I had to do an overhaul on the hydraulic Touch Control. I knew there were a lot of parts in that unit along with a bunch of o-rings, but I got the manual and redid the darn thing myself ! I plowed snow all winter with the tractor and it works like a champ, with no leaks !

How bad could it be ? Take your time and get er done !


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georgeky

03-21-2007 06:21:52




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to scotty, 03-21-2007 04:38:18  
Hey scotty. I have rebuilt a lot of those touch control units, this is a different matter, I will have to keep this thing clean as a whistle as I do know dirt and grit don't go well with fuel systems. I am sure I can do it I just hadn't tried before because none of my manuals went into detail on these pumps. Now I have the Blue Ribbon service manual for the pump and it is in great detail. I have been studying it since it arrived yesterday morning. I hope it works the tractor has got to leaking so much that I have about quit using it, and it is my favorite tractor it dont burn much fuel at all.

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Bob

03-20-2007 22:36:40




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-20-2007 21:44:15  
Throttle shaft "O" rings can be installed with only minor disassembly of the pump.

A COMPLETE kit of ALL the "O" rings and seals is only about $30.00/

New throttle shaft bushings can be installed if wear is severe.

Why do the pump shops charge so much? Because they CAN!



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georgeky

03-20-2007 23:14:30




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to Bob, 03-20-2007 22:36:40  
Bob I was sure that was the case after looking this Blue Ribbon manual over. I thought all along that as long as I keep everything clean I could do it, but until I got the book I would not even attempt it. I am a firm believer in a good service manual even for things I have worked on for years. I am tired of folks that just flat out robbing people because they can. Just like those oil companies with their record profits I have to pinch and scrape to make any profit. I sold tobacco for 212.00 a pound in 1983 and gas was about 1.20 and now at 250 or more I sold tobacco this year and last year for 1.50 a pound were is the profit for the farmers? I won't even go to town unless I have to get parts or groceries. Can you believe 600 bucks to even look at one one of those fuel pumps? I have been using the tractor, but it makes a awful mess with dust collecting on the fuel that has leaked all over the place. Thanks for your reply.

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James22

03-21-2007 08:08:30




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-20-2007 23:14:30  
Simple answer to the income thing, grow something else and don't raise tobacco. This would do everyone a favor, including the smokers since they might quit if no one raised the product. They offered a buyout program, so if raising tobacco isn't lucrative, why didn't you participate?



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georgeky

03-21-2007 08:51:11




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to James22, 03-21-2007 08:08:30  
No disrespect James, but you sir have no idea what you are talking about. What shall I grow pot. This aint Kansas this is hill country we cant grow thousands of acres of corn we have a limited amount of tillable ground and a few acres of corn dont cut it. As for the buy out that was manditory it was not a matter of participating. It was a sneaky political scheme to release the Govt of any future liability. If you would like to study your American History you will see that without tobacco the British would still be running things here. It was tobacco that financed the revolutionary war. So don't look down your nose at me for trying to make a living growing a legal crop. It is not the root of all evil as some nosey dogooders try to make it out to be. Tobacco will be here when you and I are dead and gone there is to much money involved in it. Now what about whiskey you probably drink a little and there is no substance known to man any worse than that. The politicians like to have them a drink and you never hear anything about it.

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James22

03-21-2007 10:57:20




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-21-2007 08:51:11  
No, don't drink whiskey or beer, although I gave them both a "run for the money" when in school. Never did learn to appreciate the taste and finally became convinced a hangover wasn't worth the price. Never smoked because I was always envolved in a lot of demanding athletics and always wondered how others could smoke and continue to participate at a high level.

No doubt tobacco had a lot to do with early commerce, medical issues were unknown and no doubt the addictive properities fueled an expanding market. In the forties and fifties, the media constantly promoted smoking with sustained exposure thru movies, movie stars, advertising and even the government encourged smoking by providing cigarettes to the GI's. However today we know the adverse effects, and I just don't believe that growing this product should be encourged. On another forum I posted my family's rather poor experience with this product. In brief, my smoking father died from lung cancer. My smoking grandmother, grandfather, and mother all died from emphysema. My smoking brother is on oxygen with severe emphysema, and will need a lung transplant to survive much longer. Really don't want hard working individuals to starve/suffer, but also haven't much sympathy for tobacco growers either.

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georgeky

03-21-2007 11:45:59




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to James22, 03-21-2007 10:57:20  
I am not looking for any sympathy it is not the growers responsability. People who choose to smoke have that right and those of you who don't have no dog in the fight. It would be like me telling you they should outlaw sugar. I am not suggesting that tobacco is good for anyone, but that is not the point. How about corn farmers for years they have sold their crops at nearly a break even price don't they deserve to make a profit either? It has nothing to do with what crop we raise we should be able to make a decent living feeding the world. Tobacco still controls a vast section of the economy lets look nearly all big food companies are owned by tobacco companies Kraft, Nabisco and so on. In recent years due to lawsuits they have removed their name from those companies to seperate holdings due to litigation. I agree that it is not good for you, but as long as it is legal and tobacco companies and the Gov't itself are raking in huge profits I think the farmers who do the back breaking work to raise it are entitled to make a profit. Furthermore I am a Army Ranger so you can't tell me about athletics I smoked all through boot camp,airbourne school, Ranger school and several others that few smokers or non smokers can take. At one time I could run marathons and the smoking didn't seem to bother me none. Anyhow it is legal and non smokers have no right to dictate to others about it one way or the other. This is a choice left up to the individual, and the farmers deserve to make a decent living whatever they grow whether it be tobacco,turnips,tulips,corn,cattle or daisies.

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James22

03-23-2007 11:46:24




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-21-2007 11:45:59  
I have the greatest respect for a person whom has the ability to become a member of the Special Forces. I'm somewhat sure that I could meet the physical requirements, significantly less confident that I could muster the necessary mental toughness. I worked with an ex-Navy Seal whom was not very big, but exuded almost unimaginable toughness. He was generally reasonably quiet, but occasionally did tell a few stories about the years in Vietnam. Some veteran Seals caught him smoking in a bar shortly after his San Diego based Seal training. They believed that smoking could jepardize his fellow comrades in any situation which might require extreme fitness. They hauled him off in his street clothes and dumped him a couple miles out in the Pacific Ocean. The parting words given before leaving him were: if he was in good enough physical condition to make it to ashore alive, than he could continue smoking. Perhaps this desire/need to flaunt conventional wisdom, is one means of creating/nurturing the mental toughness required to be in the Special Forces. That said, I do and have had several "dogs in the fight". Lost both parents, and both grandparents on my mother's side (father's parents did not smoke) because of cigarettes. Many have suffered considerable mental anguish from their painful and untimely deaths. My disabled brother has a daughter who desperately needs his presence which is unlikey without a lung transplant. Although tobacco is legal, I will continue to support any ordinance or law which prohibits or otherwise makes it difficult to smoke in a public venue. Relative to the statement that "farmers deserve to make a decent living" I'm sure it is exactly what the Afghanistan opium farmers believe.

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Bob

03-21-2007 00:35:13




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to georgeky, 03-20-2007 23:14:30  
Hey... maybe I should take a spring vacation and "walk you through" the "O" ring install!

Sounds like fun but a few folks around here who are waiting for their stuff to get finished probably wouldn't be so happy!



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georgeky

03-21-2007 06:10:35




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 Re: Roosa-master Injection Pump in reply to Bob, 03-21-2007 00:35:13  
Thanks Bob, but I beleive I can make it. We wouldn't want you to fall behind.



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