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RyaninKS

03-31-2007 00:35:05




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how wide are farmall M's and Farmall H's with there rear wheels all the way in?

Thanks Ryan




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Don L C

03-31-2007 17:22:16




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 Re: Farmall H M widths in reply to RyaninKS, 03-31-2007 00:35:05  
I have never measured the H ,but the M with
14.4"x38" tires is 88" outside measurement....wheels dished out.....



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Hugh MacKay

03-31-2007 13:32:58




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 Re: Farmall H M widths in reply to RyaninKS, 03-31-2007 00:35:05  
Ryan: Looking back at my 6' figure for minimum width, I should have said 7'. I don't think the H and M will be much different for minimum tread with wheels dished out. I haven't had a lot of experience with the M, however when you get into the newer tractors like 300-400, 350-450 and 460-560 there is less than 2" difference in width end to end on axle housings. The H and M are no different. The wheels all have the same amount of dish in inches. Minimum tread on all those tractors with wheels dished out is very little difference. While I agree these newer tractors had double bead rims, I doubt if the difference between large and small chassis tractor is 4 to 6 inches as he suggests. They are all very close to 7' outside with wheels dished out.

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CNKS

03-31-2007 20:04:33




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 Re: Farmall H M widths in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-31-2007 13:32:58  
With the wheels dished in or out the minimum tread of the H-460 is 8 inches narrower than the M-560 -- assuming the H-460 axle housings are the same width, likewise the M-560.



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Hugh MacKay

04-01-2007 03:07:42




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 Re: Farmall H M widths in reply to CNKS, 03-31-2007 20:04:33  
CNKS: Don't agree, for well over 15 years I ran my 300, 560 and 656, 72" wheel tread with wheels dished out. All were the same setting on rim bead. The 504 I had briefly was the same. On all 4 tractors the hub was clamped to the axle within 3-4 inches of axle housing. As I recall 504 and 300 were close to 4" and 560 and 656 closer to 3". You can only slide those wheels in to the axle housing. Unless math has made some drastic changes since I went to school, I can't see more than 2-3 inches difference between large and small chassis

In about 1 hour 20 min., I'm going away for a week, thus I will not respond again. It could be the H was not as wide across the axle housings, it's a long time since I worked with an H on a regular basis. I agree the axles were shorter. Once we get into 00 series and onward all standard axles were 84" large or small chassis. From the above paragraph, I'm satisfied they are very close to the same at the axle housings.

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CNKS

04-01-2007 11:40:42




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 Re: Farmall H M widths in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-01-2007 03:07:42  
Hugh (if you still get an email notification when someone responds, otherwise someone else will ask about this sometime. I have not personally measured the axles or housings. Only going by what the operator's manuals say. I have an H and an M, and the operator's manuals for both. Also a Super H and manual. The minimum tread on an H is 44 inches, Super H 48 inches, M, 52 inches. So you are correct in that the minumum tread width between the Super H--up? and M is 4 inches, I am correct in that the minimum tread width between the straight H and M is 8 inches. Max on the H is 80 inches on the SH 88 inches. I thought the SH axles were longer, rather than the housings being a different length. I also have a 460, but that number gets confounded by double bevel rims. I also have no argument with your desired tread width of 72 inches for stability. But, around here 30 inch rows are common. Thus for row crops, wheels are set at 60 inches. I worked as an agronomist for Kansas State for 29 years, also drove tractors frequently during the summer. JD 3020, 4020, 4230, mainly. Wide front and rears were at 60 inches. The tractors were not at all unstable, but we are flat here, on the side of a hill they would probably be kind of squirrely. I got "hung up" on a terrace one time, and got someone else to move the tractor, I was afraid it would tip over -- I was pulling an implement about 4-5 mph, and the terrace was not uniform, I got too much of an angle before I knew what was going on--due to lack of familiarity with that particular field. Although flat, I think I have a good feel for how much angle is too much, I accidentally got there. Was going to set the rears on my SH to 60" just because I was used to that, but 68" is the min width with them dished out.

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The Dukester

03-31-2007 10:53:11




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 Re: Farmall H M widths in reply to RyaninKS, 03-31-2007 00:35:05  
With the rear wheels dished out the way you probably want to run these tractors and standard sized tires, the H will load okay on a 7 foot wide trailer, it's gonna be about 78-80 inches wide. The M is another story, it's gonna be at least 6-8 inches wider and won't fit on a standard 7 foot wide utility or car hauler trailer. With the wheels turned in the tire width could be considerably less, but you don't want to run these tractors much with the wheels narrowed up because they aren't be very stable and will tip pretty easy. The axle tips width are 84 inches on the M and 75 inches on the H and that's the narrowest the tractor can be....okay?

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Hugh MacKay

03-31-2007 02:26:15




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 Re: Farmall H M widths in reply to RyaninKS, 03-31-2007 00:35:05  
Ryan: If your talking between gate or door posts, the M is 84" on the axles, H about 6" less.

If your talking ground level and up a foot as in fitting between trailer fenders, close to 6' with wheels dished out and I would guess in the 60"-64" range with wheels dished in. Fenders or loader frames may prevent getting much less than 66". I'm only guessing as I haven't measured one in 30 years.

If you want my personal opinion of settings for daily operation, I would never set an H or M less than 72" centers on rear tires. That will make an M rear tire flush with end of axle. 72" wheel tread gives these high tractors the stability one needs on everyday work. Three items lower the center of graviety on tractors; wider Wheel tread, Wheel weights and liquid weight in tires.

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