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dustin 47 m

04-07-2007 20:38:17




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my m has an 8 volt battery i have to bump start it at first then after a while of running it will start after that is my battery bad or should i check something that could be draining the battery thanks




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A. Bohemian

04-08-2007 09:07:22




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 Prolouge in reply to dustin 47 m, 04-07-2007 20:38:17  
I forgot to say in my post below that you are getting some good advice, and you can certainly use other methods than the one I suggest to check the problem if you don't have time to read all the verbiage I generated.



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A. Bohemian

04-08-2007 08:53:12




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 Ah, the Conversion Wars! in reply to dustin 47 m, 04-07-2007 20:38:17  
You will get all kinds of answers on this one, many of them contradictory. That's the nature of the internet.

If the regulator is tweaked to allow something a little OVER eight volts, my humble understanding is that the generator should be capable of charging the battery.

However, you provide us with precious little information. As a prominent poster on another board says, "Use LOTS OF WORDS to describe your problem."

One of the things we don't know is if you did this conversion yourself. If not, the person who did the conversion may already have tweaked the regulator, and you may just have a dead battery.

So, here I go with a How to Make a Different Kind of Watch:

The ammeter on the dashboard of your tractor does several jobs. It can allow you to monitor and diagnose the condition of the coil/points circuit in your ignition system, and it can allow you to monitor and diagnose the condition of your charging system.

When the tractor first starts, the ammeter should show a charge of ten amps or there abouts. After a few minutes of running, the voltage regulator will sense the battery has reached the correct voltage.

The regulator will then trip and the the ammeter should show little or no charge, and occasionally even a slight discharge as the battery "floats" across the system. If the lights are switched on, or if the tractor is run long enough, the voltage regulator will sense the drop in voltage and revert to the "high" charge condition.

This is all how the designers intended it. However, we have a new variable, the conversion.

The next time you start your tractor, as soon as you get it running, check the voltage right across the battery terminals with a voltmeter.

It is imperative that this check be made with the ammeter still showing a high charge rate.

If the ammeter still shows about ten amps, and the voltmeter shows much more than eight volts, say nine and a bit, the regulator has already been tweaked.

If it shows a little more than six volts (my Super C with the ORIGINAL generator and an after-market Chinese voltage regulator shows a hair over seven volts), it probably HAS NOT been tweaked.

Now comes the best part; from the symptoms you describe, I strongly suspect these readings will check out, that the generator is providing close to ten amps charge, and that the voltage regulator (providing you did NOT do the conversion yourself, in which case you already know whether I'm right or wrong about this) has been tweaked to provide nine volts or so charging voltage, and that all you need is a new battery.

There's a whole 'nother chapter to this book about PIE and about how much power your generator should be putting out if it's in good shape, but this reply is already way too long.

Check back in and let us know how it goes.

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John T

04-08-2007 07:53:18




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 Re: losingcharge in reply to dustin 47 m, 04-07-2007 20:38:17  
In regards to whether or not a 6 volt genny will charge an 8 volt battery, the answer I believe is IT DEPENDS::::::::::

1) If the charging system just uses a simple 2 wire Cutout Relay system IT LIKELY CAN

2) If the charging system uses a Voltage Regulator having ONLY a current control relay (in addition to the normal cutout relay) IT LIKELY CAN

3) If the charging system has a Voltage Regulator that has a voltage control relay IT LIKELY WILL NOT UNLESS THE VOLTAGE CONTROL RELAY IS ADJUSTED/TWEAKED

Anyone agree or disagree???

Happy Easter yall

John T

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teddy52food

04-08-2007 07:09:55




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 Re: losingcharge in reply to dustin 47 m, 04-07-2007 20:38:17  
It will work fine with a cutout, but a regulator should be set up to almost 10 volts to charge right with an 8 volt battery.



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El Toro

04-08-2007 05:45:36




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 Re: losingcharge in reply to dustin 47 m, 04-07-2007 20:38:17  
Your voltage regulaor may be causing the battery drain. You can install a master switch in the ground cable this will isolate the battery from being grounded. The military has used this for years. No one can crank the engine either, if someone wanted to swipe the tractor. Hal



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Owen Aaland

04-07-2007 22:00:10




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 Re: losingcharge in reply to dustin 47 m, 04-07-2007 20:38:17  
Next time you use the tractor enough to get the battery charged, remove a battery cable when you shut it off and then see if the battery is OK the next time you need it.



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Tom Windsor

04-07-2007 21:45:29




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 Re: losingcharge in reply to dustin 47 m, 04-07-2007 20:38:17  
If you have a six volt system and generator, it will not charge this battery up. You are going to have to have a booster on this battery to charge it up to 8 v. There is some recent conversaton on this site on the same subject.

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georgeky

04-08-2007 12:42:22




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 Re: losingcharge in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-07-2007 21:45:29  
Tom my dad ran a 8 volt battery on his M for years with original genny set up. When he gave it to me as soon as that battery was shot I went back to a 6 volt battery. She starts every time.



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gene bender

04-08-2007 02:31:19




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 Re: losingcharge in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-07-2007 21:45:29  
Sorry TOM but the gen will keep an 8v batt up and have been doing that for years and years they used them in old 40s cars so they would start in winter i regulary service a C with 8v because starter is weak on 6v and hydrometer says batt is up to par know of several older tractors using 8v with no problems some think you have to screw with reg ect just put an 8v in and go and no the lites dont seem to burn out either.

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