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Mike CA

04-07-2007 22:34:51

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I found a Farmall H on California Tractors dot com. I don't know the year yet, as I just e-mailed the guy. But I think I see the glint of a metal shift knob, which would make it '42-'45, which is perfect. Add says it runs great with no smoke. They are asking $1,300. Lately I've been dancing around the $800 range. I bought my '46 that ran for $650, so this one is twice the price. What do you all think is a good price I should offer if this tractor turns out to be a keeper?

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Janicholson

04-08-2007 08:31:20

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

The price may be great. Not all bare metal in CA is dents and bent components. The hitch will sell for a good price as you restore it. You need to see it in person before the buy. JimN

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Mike CA

04-08-2007 10:07:23

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Janicholson, 04-08-2007 08:31:20

Thanks Jim. I don't care what all these guys say about you. I like you! third party image

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Mike CA

04-08-2007 09:43:52

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Janicholson, 04-08-2007 08:31:20

Is this a 3 point hitch? Because I also see the orginal hitch bar, or whatever you call it.

What do you think a 3-point hitch is worth?

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Steven@AZ

04-08-2007 11:56:18

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-08-2007 09:43:52

I agree with Janicholson, it should be worth around $300 if you were to take it off and sell it. Should fit everything from an H thru 450 without any problems - and probably on newer tractors with some modification.

Looks like the CornHusker 3-point we have on our 544...

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Janicholson

04-08-2007 09:56:18

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-08-2007 09:43:52

As good as that threepoint looks, I'd say 300 or so they are very handy for many tasks, and though not original are a common, and desirable add on. I like the tractor, but I am in MN. That missing paint might be an indication of poor (but not a problem) paint prep for the last paint put on it. If so it will be much easier to strip. The metal looks like it is pit free. JimN

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Steven@AZ

04-08-2007 06:28:40

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

I'd offer $1000 for it. I'm sure you remember what I paid for mine, and what kind of shape they were in... Here's my post about them.

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brainerd dave

04-08-2007 06:21:22

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

Mike,
If your intention is still to end up with that Porsche paint job you once talked about and having the perfect show tractor, you're talking about putting thousands of $$$ into something like this one to get it there, and that's before you've purchased a single tool that you're going to need. You're probably going to get by cheaper in the long run to find some fluff & buff tractor that just needs a few touches here and there. JMHO.

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GordoSD

04-08-2007 05:54:27

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

That's a 900 dollar tractor here in SD, WITHOUT that 3 point hitch. As you know those Saginaws list at over 700 bucks.. I'd grab it at 1200, or even the 1300.

Gordo

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Andy Martin

04-08-2007 05:51:22

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

Been a while since I've been able to spend much time here, but I thought you were going to stop with one tractor :-)

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Mike CA

04-08-2007 08:58:52

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Andy Martin, 04-08-2007 05:51:22

I am stopping at one. Currently I have none. I sold my '46 to the BIL because it would have cost too much to convert it to original condition, so I wanted to find something more complete.

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gene bender

04-08-2007 02:23:08

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

Tires belong on a M and what is the mess hanging on the rear and i dont see any gearshift lots of places thats a 5-7oo tractor if it runs.

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Patrick Martin

04-08-2007 00:40:30

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

Lafayette, Louisiana. Well actually my ranch is in Branch, Louisiana but for now while I'm still moving I'm in Lafayette. :)

I found an F-12 not too long ago in Breaux Bridge not too far from here and was going to see if I could snatch it for Mr. Ken Vincent but the dude who owned it sold it for scrap!!!!! :(

The sucker was buried to the transmission in the mud next to a crawfish pond and the guy was cool with me taking it off his hands but then as I always do I put it off tooo long and lost it. :(

Seems theres allot of that crap going on around here nowadays. People scrap perfectly good junk!

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RONEE

04-08-2007 00:09:55

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

WORK OF CAUTION STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY, HIS NAME IS RICK MANCEBO, HE GOES AROUND TO FARMS AND BUYS DEAD JUNK AND JACKS THE PRICE UP...AND NEVER EVEN TOUCHES THE MACHINE HE DOESN'T EVEN LIVE IN CA, HE LIVES IN K FALLS ORE....STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING HE HAS FOR SALE....

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maplehillfrm,pat

04-08-2007 06:57:25

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to RONEE, 04-08-2007 00:09:55

AND what is wrong with that??? Thats what people do to turn abuck ,, what do used car dealers do?? same thing,, some buy them and put time and money into them and still lose their butt, I should try just buying and not touching them, sometime,, if you had capital and a market wouldnt you do the same?? you forget he has the time and fuel cost into looking at these things.

I always got a kick out of when I bought somethig at an auction, put 5-6 hundred into it and then tried to sell it, there would always be at least 1 guy say I know you bought that at such and such , and paid X amount of dollars, why are you selling it for 7-8 hundred more thann you paid for it?,, do the math how much did I make,, besides if he was at the auction why didnt he buy it,, oh well cant please them all, have a happy easter. pat

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Allan In NE

04-08-2007 04:25:44

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to RONEE, 04-08-2007 00:09:55

And your point is?

Don't look now, but every salvage yard in the country does that. Lots of implement dealers and private iron traders frequent auctions.

Nothin' wrong with attending a farm sale and then reselling.

Allan

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Mike CA

04-07-2007 22:35:56

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:34:51

I forgot to add the link.

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Patrick Martin

04-07-2007 23:09:29

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 22:35:56

Dang, well I hope you get it for a great price Mike!!! Are the steel shift knobs rare or something?

Wish I could retrofit an old H or M to diesel. I like the look but I hate that they are all gasoline. I'm converting everything on my ranch over to diesel right now so I can produce my own fuel and get out of paying for it (biodiesel).

That's a pretty cool site too. I see they have some military vehicles that I'd be interested in if I were closer too.

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john d

04-08-2007 14:28:34

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Patrick Martin, 04-07-2007 23:09:29

At the Portland, Indiana show last August, there was a Farmall H that had been re-powered with a 4-cylinder Mitsubishi diesel from an early-1980s dodge pickup. It was an immaculate conversion; almost looked like it came from the factory that way.

It had a the turbocharger on it. The hood was modified to be a little taller where the gauges are, allowing it to have four gauges, including the turbo pyrometer.

At the urging of some of the bystanders, the young fellow started it and had it running for ten minutes or so. It was smooth, quiet and sounded as good as it looked. He said the engine was rated at about 90 hp, but is not an easy engine to find.

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james braley

04-08-2007 13:24:09

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Patrick Martin, 04-07-2007 23:09:29

if you got the old starter linkege to switch from gas to tractor fuel( desil, keroseen and who knows what.) its posible to run a h or m on biodesil.

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A. Bohemian

04-08-2007 11:41:19

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Patrick Martin, 04-07-2007 23:09:29

Quote: "I'm converting everything on my ranch over to diesel right now so I can produce my own fuel and get out of paying for it (biodiesel)."

Let us know how that works. BioDiesel is big in our region (Willie Nelson country), and right now the best guess is that some of the big producers are putting about two gallons of petroleum-based products (mostly gasoline and Diesel) into every gallon of bioDiesel they produce.

So, the big challenge right now is to lower that number to 1:1 or less. Succeed in that, and you will get the attention of the world.

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Patrick Martin

04-08-2007 16:32:36

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-08-2007 11:41:19

A. Bohemian "Let us know how that works. BioDiesel is big in our region (Willie Nelson country), and right now the best guess is that some of the big producers are putting about two gallons of petroleum-based products (mostly gasoline and Diesel) into every gallon of bioDiesel they produce.

So, the big challenge right now is to lower that number to 1:1 or less. Succeed in that, and you will get the attention of the world."

????? ??? We've been doing this????? The stuff you are buying, the mixed stuff, is the ethanol free Bio that you have to add the diesel to, to keep it from gelling up.

You ought to visit www.steelsoldiers.com (military vehicle site) and go to the alternate fuels section. Allot of us are powering our deuces with 100% Bio and have been doing so for some time. My username there is EZFEED.

Basically the way around it is to install another fuel tank or a small starter tank so that you can get the engine running and warmed up with diesel then switch over to the bio. Kinda like some of the tractors do with the small starting tanks. What we do with our trucks is to plumb a line form our water pumps (usually via the heater hoses) into a coil we have installed inside of the Bio tank. As the engine warms up it heats the tank of Bio and liquefies it (if it's gelled) and then you switch over to the Bio. The Bio we make from waste vegetable oil contains methanol from the refining process and is filtered to 5 microns to pass through the 10 micron filters on our trucks. it stays pretty fluid until you get into the low 20's or teens. Great stuff, cleans your fuel system out and offers better lubricity to the injector pump too.

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georgeky

04-08-2007 05:43:32

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Patrick Martin, 04-07-2007 23:09:29

The cast knobs are a little rare they were put on tractors only during WWII as there was a rubber shortage.

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Mike CA

04-07-2007 23:41:07

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Patrick Martin, 04-07-2007 23:09:29

Pat, I don't know if you have Guy Fay's originality guide, but in the M section it shows an M with a retofit kit for a 3 cylinder Sheppard (I think) diesel engine that would be correct for the era. I don't think it would be easy to find or cheap to buy, but the ability does exsist.

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Steven@AZ

04-08-2007 08:41:44

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 23:41:07

I remember reading somewhere that the Sheppard diesel conversion was the quickest way to turn an M into an H - not much power.

Put a 2-71 Detroit in it!

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Patrick MArtin

04-08-2007 00:29:34

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-07-2007 23:41:07

You know, I bet I could squeeze a little 4 cylinder between those frame rails. I wouldn't do it to a complete H or M but if I could find one with no engine or a totally hoplessly shot engine I'd do it to it. :)

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Mike CA

04-08-2007 00:32:22

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Patrick MArtin, 04-08-2007 00:29:34

Where do you live? I'll keep an eye out. I'd venture to guess that an H would be to short at the hood, but that's only a guess.

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Patrick Martin

04-08-2007 00:41:10

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Re: How much is too much? in reply to Mike CA, 04-08-2007 00:32:22

Lafayette, Louisiana. Well actually my ranch is in Branch, Louisiana but for now while I'm still moving I'm in Lafayette. :)
I found an F-12 not too long ago in Breaux Bridge not too far from here and was going to see if I could snatch it for Mr. Ken Vincent but the dude who owned it sold it for scrap!!!!! :(

The sucker was buried to the transmission in the mud next to a crawfish pond and the guy was cool with me taking it off his hands but then as I always do I put it off tooo long and lost it. :(

Seems theres allot of that crap going on around here nowadays. People scrap perfectly good junk!

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