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AlexLV

04-08-2007 15:39:55




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My 1950 Cub has some charging sys. problems. It has the original 6v starter and generator, but it has a 12v battery and lights. The problem is, the battery is not being charged when the tractor is running. The battery has to be recharged every once in a while, but other than that it runs fine. Can anyone tell me what might be wrong?




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Owen Aaland

04-08-2007 21:08:49




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 Re: Cub Charging Problem in reply to AlexLV, 04-08-2007 15:39:55  
It would be normal for a 12 volt conversion to still have the 6 volt starter in place. If used properly they will last a long time.

If the charging system is indeed still for 6 volt, the regulator and cut out must have been readjusted for 12 volt use. If the cut out had not been adjusted those contacts would stay closed and quickly drain the battery when not in use,

Before alternators became readily available for conversion use, it was not unusual to just replace the battery, add a resister to the coil, change the light bulbs, and then readjust to regulator to function as a 12 volt system.

The regulators were the weak part of this system. Since they were being operated at twice their designed voltage it was difficult to keep them adjuted properly.

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marty johns

04-08-2007 19:17:01




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 Re: Cub Charging Problem in reply to AlexLV, 04-08-2007 15:39:55  
it appears that someone that did'nt know what they where doing! went W mart and bought a 12 v battery!and did'nt know what they had! it should have been a 6vt. battery!



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AlexLV

04-08-2007 16:23:28




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 Re: Cub Charging Problem in reply to AlexLV, 04-08-2007 15:39:55  
So, would a 6v battery fix my problem?



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A. Bohemian

04-08-2007 15:55:57




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 Congratulations! in reply to AlexLV, 04-08-2007 15:39:55  
Quote: "It has the original 6v starter and generator, but it has a 12v battery and lights."

Are you sure? If so, congratulatons, you have a set-up I"ve never encountered before.

Did you do the conversion yourself? If not, can you be sure the 6 volt generator was not replaced by a 12 volt model?

Quote: "The problem is, the battery is not being charged when the tractor is running."

Watch the ammeter. If it shows more than about five amps, the generator is charging the battery; but a six-volt generator is unlikely to properly charge a twelve-volt battery.

Get a voltmeter and check the votage at the battery terminals while the ammeter shows the voltage regulator is allowing the high rate of charge. Seven volts or so? You DO have the original six-volt generator, and need to make a decision about whether to to a REAL twelve-volt conversion or not.

Fourteen volts or so? Some one replaced the six-volt generator with a twelve volt one. You have some other problem, perhaps a bad battery.

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AlexLV

04-08-2007 16:04:04




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 Re: Congratulations! in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-08-2007 15:55:57  
I'm sure it has the original starter and generator. The ammeter shows 0, and a little less when the lights are on. Is it that the 6 volt generator won't charge the 12 volt battery? The battery is good. Is the voltage regulator or generator bad?



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El Toro

04-08-2007 16:19:58




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 Re: Congratulations! in reply to AlexLV, 04-08-2007 16:04:04  
There's no way a 6 volt generator can charge a 12 volt battery. It probably wouldn't even charge
a 12 volt battery if your generator was putting out 12 volts. It needs to be in the 14.0 to 14.5 volts range to keep a 12 volt battery fully charged. Hal



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El Toro

04-08-2007 15:54:16




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 Re: Cub Charging Problem in reply to AlexLV, 04-08-2007 15:39:55  
Your problem is that your generator is only putting about 7 volts and your battery needs at least 14.0 volts to keep it charged. You need to to install a 6 volt battery so the generator will keep it charged or intall a 12 volt alternator or generator. Hal
PS: It surprises me that you haven't fried the coil unless you are using a ballast resistor.



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AlexLV

04-08-2007 16:08:17




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 Re: Cub Charging Problem in reply to El Toro, 04-08-2007 15:54:16  
I would rather have a full 6v system than a full 12v system. There is something that looks like a ballast resistor on the underside of the hood.



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