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560 hydraulics

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560troubles

04-11-2007 04:28:47




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I'm having problems with my front end loader. It seems like I don't have much pressure and it is moving really slow. I rigged up a pressure guage to see if there was pressure from the pump and it easily made 1500psi. I didn't take it any further but it acted as if I could have gotten more pressure.

When I used the front end loader to move a round bale it would pick it up about 4' but would gradually slow then stop. While I was still trying to lift the loader futher I move the lever for the 2pt hitch When I did that the loader dropped. Every time I moved the 2pt lever while trying to pick the bale up the bale up it would drop.Not all the way down but a cople of feet. What would cause this?

I just changed the Hy-trans oil and filter but this didn't help. I used parts from the dealer and hy-trans oil from the dealer.

Any ideas????

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Armand Tatro

04-11-2007 09:02:02




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to 560troubles, 04-11-2007 04:28:47  
According to the I@T manual there are only 2 hyd. pumps for the 560. The bigger pump supplies hyd. to the 3-valve bank and the small pump attatched to the back of it supplies the power steering. I would like more information about this other "small pump". Armand



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Joe Evans

04-11-2007 10:36:26




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to Armand Tatro, 04-11-2007 09:02:02  
I don't know much about the power steering pump on than it is indeed, of smaller capacity than the hydraulic pump. This would make sense as the power steering would not require the large flow rates.

The PS pump bolts to the hydraulic pump and shares in common the supply suction tube and the pump drive gear. The PS slips onto a splined extension of the hyd. pump. Oil is passed through the hyd pump to the PS pump.

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Joe Evans

04-11-2007 07:50:40




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to 560troubles, 04-11-2007 04:28:47  
Man, I live for these moments!

If your pump is doing 1500#, then the pump is fine. A good hydraulic pump HAS to move oil at all times when it's turning.

You have either of these two conditions and perhaps both: the pump is not picking up enough oil to move (plugged filter/screen or goofy pump suction tube), AND/OR the pumped oil ain't goin' where it's supposed to.

My guess is that you have a plugged orifice screen and a partially stuck (open) pilot valve. You have described the classic symptoms.

This is an easy thing to fix BTW.

Read all about it here:

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Wayne8706

04-11-2007 15:36:17




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to Joe Evans, 04-11-2007 07:50:40  
Thanks for the link. I saw this article one time, but lost the info to find it again. We have trouble with our 560 "loading up" and this article tells how to fix it.



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Joe Evans

04-12-2007 08:16:07




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to Wayne8706, 04-11-2007 15:36:17  
Thanks! I wrote the article.



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Russ36

05-10-2007 06:58:33




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to Joe Evans, 04-12-2007 08:16:07  
Have a simalar problem.Pump presure will not unload when hydraulics are in neutral postion.
What is odd is if you shut the tractor off and wait a minute than restart than the pumps un-load. 0 presure on gauge. As soon as you move any of the levers the cylinders move to home position than gauge stays about 1300 psi all the time.
I pulled the regulator and safety vale apart as per your article and there was a little bit of junk on screen orfice was open. I just put in new TA clutch,engine clutch,new 17GPM pump and all new fluid and filters. Any ideas

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Nat 2

04-11-2007 05:20:55




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to 560troubles, 04-11-2007 04:28:47  
If the fluid is so bad that the hydraulics aren't working right, it's too late to change it. The damage is done. Changing it on a regular basis is always a good idea, but it's a maintenance item, not a repair item.

Just checking the pressure is only telling you half the story. You need to have the hydraulics flow rated to see if the pump is putting out the GPMs it's supposed to. GPMs, not PSI, is what makes the loader move fast or slow.

The hydraulic pump is the most likely culprit.

You may have a problem in the valve stack, though. What that problem is, I don't know, and there is no way to know without having an expert take the entire thing apart and diagnose it, IMHO. You can start blasting away with the parts shotgun if you really want, replacing all the orings, seals, the relief valve, screens, etc.. AFAIK there is no "rebuild kit."

Have you ever tried to move the 2pt hitch while raising the loader? These tractors were designed to have one hydraulic operating at a time. When you open a second valve, the oil follows the path of least resistance. The loader's weight pushes the oil backwards into the hitch in this case.

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I love farmalls

04-11-2007 05:18:09




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 Re: 560 hydraulics in reply to 560troubles, 04-11-2007 04:28:47  
that PSI is correct for the 560 and it has a small pump that can only run one valve at a time. My mechanic shimmed up the relief valve with 2 thin washers and brought the PSI to 1900, that would be max.



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