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Super C Govenor

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whompuscat

04-17-2007 08:26:42




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I jsut purchased a 1952 Super C. This tractor looks great and runs great, however the govenor does not seem to open when it gets under a load. I checked the operation of the govenor arm when I first start the engine, it goes full throttle for just an instance and then back to idel, It runs super sweet but it won"t open up under a load,

What should I check for?

Are there any adjustments on the govenor and where?

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teddy52food

04-17-2007 09:55:07




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 Re: Super C Govenor in reply to whompuscat, 04-17-2007 08:26:42  
Looks like the governor spring is broken. When you take it off you can check the thrust bearing also. I would not do any adjusting until it is corrected inside. Most times they won't need adjusting. Remember, the spring opens the throttle & the flyweights close it.



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Bob

04-17-2007 11:00:58




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 Re: Super C Govenor in reply to teddy52food, 04-17-2007 09:55:07  
With a broken governor spring it will never rev above slow idle, loaded or not.



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scotty

04-17-2007 09:35:14




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 Re: Super C Govenor in reply to whompuscat, 04-17-2007 08:26:42  
Afternoon Whompascat, My quess is that your thrust bearings in the govenor are shot, they can be ordered through Case IH.


scotty



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A. Bohemian

04-17-2007 08:50:36




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 Ah, Itasca! in reply to whompuscat, 04-17-2007 08:26:42  
I always thought Itasca was one of the prettiest towns in the blackland, but I haven"t been through there in a decade or so. Has creeping urbanization ruined it yet?

I am unclear on exactly what you checked when you checked the governor. You are looking for RESISTANCE, not range of motion. The governor should feel like it is fighting you.

Check the resistance to motion with the engine off, then again with the engine running. You should feel much more resistance with it running.

Try to find a good running C or other letter-series Farmall in your neighborhood (shouldn"t be too hard) and compare the feel of that governor to yours.

As for adjustment: you can set the low and high idle speeds (limits), and there is also an adjustment for "hunting," where the governor can"t seem to make up it"s mind where to set the speed.

If I understand your problem, though, the governor is not "hunting," the tractor does not stall out at idle and reaches a pretty good RPM, so I would not start monkeying with adjustments until you have checked the governor for proper operation.

Rebuild kits are available. You want to get a copy of the IT IH-8 manual and read the procedure first. You can also get an Owner"s Manual reprint from Case. Unless you are VERY familiar with the Super C I strongly suggest you get a copy and read it cover to cover, like a novel.

My Super C has never had the governor rebuilt and I think I am beginning to feel the first signs of wear (stumbles ever so slightly when comming up from a slow idle), so I would appreciate you keeping me posted if you decide a rebuild is necessary.

Good luck! Go Whompus Cats!

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whompuscat

04-17-2007 08:54:46




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 Re: Ah, Itasca! in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-17-2007 08:50:36  
It runs perfect at idle. It"s not hunting it just doesn"t open under a load.

How do I set the idle and ful speed linkage?



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A. Bohemian

04-17-2007 10:48:44




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 Well... in reply to whompuscat, 04-17-2007 08:54:46  
...I'll tell you.

But if the governor isn't working right, you will be wasting time.

Worse; if the clevis is properly adjusted on the throttle rod, and you mess with the adjustments NOW, you will screw them up and have to reset them when the governor is restored to correct operation. (Fortunately this doesn't take too long.)

Don't take my word for it; the IT manual contains the following warning, printed in italics FOR EMPHASIS!

"Before attempting any governor adjustments, check the linkage for binding condition or lost motion and correct any undesirable conditions."

Lack of resistance is the most undesirable governor condition of all! The governer works by conservation of momentum. No resistance, no conservation!

So, once more, PLEASE grab the throttle rod coming from the carburetor with the engine off and work it through its range. You should feel very, very little resistance.

Now, start the engine. Grab the throttle rod again and try to rev the engine. You should feel greatly increased resistance.

If this resistance is not present attempting to adjust the governor is a waste of time. I cannot emphasize this enough.

AFTER you have determined the governor is operating properly, shut the engine down.

Move the speed control lever all the way to the high end of it's range. Remove the pin from the clevis.

Now, hold the throttle rod and the rockshaft arm (the other piece of the assembly the pin hold the clevis onto) as far forward as they go.

The pins should slide easily home. If not, turn the clevis on the threaded part of the rod until they do.

(If I ever bet, which I don't I would bet fifty dollars that they will. Because I think the governor IS properly adjusted.)

Now, to set the high speed idle: simply adjust the hex screw coming out of the top of the housing.

That's all there is to it. But please, please, PLEASE, if you haven't done it, check the governor for proper resistance to motion before you do.

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A. Bohemian

04-17-2007 10:53:55




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 Oh, yeah... in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-17-2007 10:48:44  
Low speed idle: 425 RPM

High speed idle: 1875 RPM

These numbers are not critical, especially the low speed idle. But you probably already knew that.



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GeneMO

04-17-2007 11:18:44




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 Re: Oh, yeah... in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-17-2007 10:53:55  
I bought an H that had set for a while. It was hunting and just not acting right at all. Took the governor off and cleaned and oiled it real good. Works fine now. I agree. It must be free.


Gene



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Andrew Z

04-17-2007 08:43:38




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 Re: Super C Govenor in reply to whompuscat, 04-17-2007 08:26:42  
I would recomned that you get the manual for the Super C. Also do a search on this site in archives, I had trouble in with mine and it turned out to be the bearings were all worn out. But I would make sure that it is adjusted right first before taking it all apart.

Andrew



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