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reproduction gears-any market? opinions?

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glennster

04-18-2007 08:45:27




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i have a friend that owns a gear machine company. he can cut alltypes of gears. he has made me a complete set of drive gears for the engine on my super m to drive from the crank to the distributor. he can also make the steering gear setups too, worm and sector gears for the m and h. think there is a good size market for these?? i am pretty sure the steering setup is no longer available from i-h.

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City-Boy McCoy

04-18-2007 16:21:04




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  
Steering gears for the 300u/350u; 4-5 gears for the H, M; maybe the super m/400/450, super H/300/350 (the ones which wear and pop out of 5th.)



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CGtractor

04-18-2007 14:31:41




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  
The steering gears are for sale here on YT.



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Wardner

04-18-2007 13:50:30




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  
I have thought about reproducing the gearboz for the mid-mount Electrall attachment. I think I can handle the castings but the gears would be a problem for me. I have a feeling there are people who would jump at the opportunity to tractor-mount the more common trailer unit. Send me an email so I can add it to my address book.

There is also a demand for Elwood MFWD. Again it is the gearbox and castings that would be the greatest challange. The axle should be available in military junk yards.

I have both of these attachments and can provide patterns.

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26Red

04-18-2007 13:21:48




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  
You could remake some of those M&W or Heisler nine-speed transmission gears- I have a set that is completely worn out.



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BF8690

04-18-2007 12:37:21




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  
Also, does he make tranny gears? There would be some people around here, in Western Washington, interested in that especially if they could get low gears for tractor pulling. It's worth the while I think providing his cost doesn't put him out of business.



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BF8690

04-18-2007 12:34:05




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 Absolutely in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  
There are tons of guys raiding tractor junkyards for those kinds of parts. I happen to think that junk yards are a necessary evil. I hate seeing antique cars, truck or tractors going to salvage.



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rumplestiltskin

04-18-2007 10:43:43




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  

I’ve also considered producing steering gears for the 300 Utility.

I don’t know much about patents (yet), but I thought they expire after something like 17 years. That would have been about 1973 in this case.

Several months ago I emailed Case/IH for their views on the subject of reproduction parts. As expected, I got no response. If I decide to pursue it I will send them a registered letter, return receipt requested. I think they would have a tough time in court trying to prevent me from serving a market they’ve consciously abandoned, especially if I had previously asked them in writing for their position and they failed to respond.

Even if a patent were still in force, and even if Case/IH cared to press the issue, it should be possible to produce and sell parts that are somewhat different but perform the same function – for example, a slightly larger diameter shaft with matching bushings/bearings (perhaps billed as a “high strength / heavy duty” system), different numbers of teeth, etc. You are probably familiar with the “soup-up” computer controller chips sold as aftermarket improvements for cars. I’d be very surprised if the original auto manufacturers get any money from those.

Maybe your best bet at this point would be to plunk down a few bucks for an introductory chat with a patent attorney. If you go in with a list of specific questions, you can probably learn a lot in half an hour.

Whatever you decide, good luck. I think it’s a worthwhile endeavor.

Mark W. in MI

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scotty

04-18-2007 11:47:10




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to rumplestiltskin, 04-18-2007 10:43:43  
Just a little side note on gears. Worms, worm wheels, spur gears, helical gears, center cut, herringbone etc were being manufactured in every concievable way well before IH started using gears in their tractors ! Unless its some special type of gear that IH came up with they cant lay claim to anyone trying to reproduce those gears IMHO ! I have been in the machining trade all my life and simply put, gears are gears, thats it !


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georgeky

04-18-2007 09:01:46




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 Re: reproduction gears-any market? opinions? in reply to glennster, 04-18-2007 08:45:27  
I am not sure about the worm, but my parts man says he can get the sector new. It is quite high though. Either way he would probably have to be licensed by Case Ih to sell them to the public.



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