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Mag vs distributor question

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Charlie M

04-25-2007 11:14:36




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I've seen a number of guys on this forum state they would rather have a mag than a distributor. Both my 43 H and M have distributors and almost every older tractor I see either has a distributor or the coil on the mag is bad and it has an external coil making it work like a distributor. If a mag has a hotter spark why are some many mags replaced with distributors when the coils went bad.




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Owen Aaland

04-26-2007 04:05:43




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
A lot of magnetos were replaced when when engines were rebuilt with FireCrater sleeve and piston kits. With better gasoline and higher compression, these engines now needed better spark control with more advance. If you were to advance a magneto you would be before TDC when cranking. Not a good situation.

The FireCrater sleeve and piston kits used to come with different carburetor jets, distributor advance springs, and a distributor shaft with more advance, to take advantage of the higher compression.

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NDS

04-25-2007 16:55:28




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
This is about like the IH vs Johndeer and Ford vs Chevy discussions every one has an opinion and are not about to change. Personaly I prefer battery ignition for several reasons but that is just my opinion. As far as being able to run with dead battery or bad starter I quit that fifty years ago, if it won't start I fix it.



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NDS

04-25-2007 17:47:41




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to NDS, 04-25-2007 16:55:28  
I guess I got turned off om hand cranking and magnetos back in fiftys when it fell my lot to cultivate with a hand crank F20 all summer for several years. On damp mornings the F20 did not like to start so I started parking it on top of small hill and if it would not start I would go to barn harness mule and pull it off down hill and when it started I would stop mule with brakes (it had 2 brake pedals unlike most I have seen), worked every time.

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JT

04-25-2007 16:22:44




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
Most people changed them because of lack of knowledge on how to fix a mag. I took the distributor off my M and put a mag on it, would never go abck to a distrbutor. Don't have to keep battery charged, pull it about 5 feet and off you go, or use the crank. My M sure starts easier with the mag than it did with the distibutor. But to each his own, but I think the mag actually has a hotter spark than a battery ignition.

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Andy Motteberg

04-25-2007 18:23:39




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to JT, 04-25-2007 16:22:44  
I agree with JT about the mag.



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John T

04-25-2007 13:19:20




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
Charlie, Perhaps Bob or Bob M who are much more familiar with IHC then myself can correct me, but far as I know GENERALLY SPEAKING a battery powered coil ignition develops more spark energy than a garden variety magneto ignition. (In response to your mags "hotter spark" scenario)

THEREFORE thats one darn good reason for a battery powered coil n distributor ignition over a mag any day.

Reason 2: The distributor has a far better variable spark advance curve versus RPM versus a mag with ONLY TWO TIMINGS, the static start/impulse time and the advance run time PERIOD.

Reason 3: A Mag has all that mechanical spring wind n trip impulse mechanism to mess with and possibly go bad which the distributor doesnt have.

Reason 4: With such limited energy to begin with, any minor faults such as corroded or burned points or a weak condensor or a weak spring etc can cause either no fire at all or a weak spark versus a higher energy battery coil coil that can stand some imprefection yet still deliver decent spark energy.

Of course, a non batetry hand cranker limits one to a mag but until shown otherwise I'm still am of the opinion the stock batery powered coil distributor ignition develops more spark energy and fer sure has a more efficient variable versus RPM spark advance curve then a mag and dont have all the spring wind n trip n impulse potential problems.

Thats my story n Ima stickin to it lol

Yall take care now

John T

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NawlensGator

04-25-2007 12:33:36




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  

Distributor with electronic ignition and high voltage coil is a trouble free way to go. My preference also.



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Red Dave

04-25-2007 12:32:20




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
Magnetos are a little more complicated than distributors. A lot of folks don't understand magnetos so they put on something they can work on.

It's a preference thing too.



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Andy Motteberg

04-25-2007 12:16:37




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
I don't know why they changed them to distributors all the time. I just changed the distributor on my 1943 Farmall H to a magneto. The H4 mag is a lot nicer. Many distributor parts are cheaper, but buying the mag parts is worth it. I like the mags better than the distributors. They are easier to time. Andy.



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randy hall

04-25-2007 11:51:17




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
this has to be the only place that anyone would prefer a magneto to a distributor. distributor's are the only way to go.



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Andy Motteberg

04-25-2007 12:18:06




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to randy hall, 04-25-2007 11:51:17  
Distributors are not the only way to go, they are a way to go, but the mag is a better way to go.



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Dave from Texas

04-25-2007 11:49:09




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Charlie M, 04-25-2007 11:14:36  
Cost of the Mag. coil is high!



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Chad from Michigan

04-25-2007 12:00:42




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 Re: Mag vs distributor question in reply to Dave from Texas, 04-25-2007 11:49:09  
Yes cost of mag parts are high. If you went to the parts counter and the man say $15 for a 6 volt coil or $60 for the mag coil guess what most guys did. yep converted them.
I like it becasue you can run it if the battery goes dead. Having a bunch of tractors makes it tough to keep up on batterys!



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