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Questions About MIssing Teeth

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A. Bohemian

04-26-2007 07:58:14




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The only vehicle I've ever knowingly operated with missing teeth was my beloved and much-missed 1966 Volkswagen Beetle, which was missing a couple or so off the flywheel ring gear.

Of course, THIS wasn't a problem as I could just open the engine cover, grab the generator pully, and turn it a little to line up fresh teeth if the bendix couldn't grab.

I'm surprised at how many operate old tractors with missing teeth in the TRANSAXLE (not the ring gear). How practical is this? Doesn't the problem gradually get worse in most cases; that is, don't the adjacent teeth start to disappear?

Or, can one sometimes operate a minimally damaged gear for many years with no problem, provided all the loose metal is removed from the transaxle housing?

I would imagine GOOD replacement gears are hard to find for popular tractors. Are they?

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Kelly C

04-26-2007 17:51:22




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 Re: Questions About MIssing Teeth in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-26-2007 07:58:14  
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Used gears are not that hard to find. I replaced 4 gears in my 400 for a cost of $125 for all 4 gears.
Junk yards are full of rear ends off parted out tractors. I put a add on this site and got 25 or so replies. price ranged from $150 per gear to the $125 for all 4.

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David Goode

04-26-2007 15:27:07




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 Re: Questions About MIssing Teeth in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-26-2007 07:58:14  
From what I've read, if you don't work the tractor to much a missing tooth or two wont do much harm but I have a story with my '77 Craftsman lawn mower. I rebuilt her engine about five years ago becouse it was blowing smoke. Ran fine for three months before it started back firing and died. I took the flywheel off to get to the timing gears to see if it was timed right and discorverd both timing gears had lost all of there teeth. It turns out I didn't screw the capacitor and points in tight enough and it became off timed. Eventuly from several hours of hard mowing the timing gears lost all there teach and did sever damaged the oil pump. luckly I was able to get new gears and had the tractor back up and mowing in less than a week. But now every time I rebuild a tractor I always look at the timing gears and transmission to check for one or two cracked or missing teath. I try to replace them so they wont cause further damage down the road. -David Goode Coggon, IA

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chadd

04-26-2007 12:30:26




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 Re: Questions About MIssing Teeth in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-26-2007 07:58:14  
Most older tractors use spur gears in the transmission. A well designed, high stress, gear train using spur gears will have a contact ratio between gears of a minimum of 1.4, although the ratio can go as high as two. This ratio indicates how many teeth are meshed at once. Because you still have at least .4 of a tooth grabbing (I say at least because often, the root of the broken tooth remains)and the gears are rotating at a relatively low speed, the gear will not lock up or begin shearing gear teeth quite yet. However, there will be a noticeable clunk and whenever a large load is placed on the transmission, the remaining tooth will need to carry at least twice the load it was designed for. Under constant heavy load, it will weaken the remaining tooth every revolution, until it fails.

That being said, many antique tractors are being used more for parade duty and light tasks that don't involve heavy drawbar pull. Because the gears were so over-engineered to begin with, they can last a long time before failure. I wouldn't try this with a car transmission, though, as it will be gone in a matter of a weeks due to higher speeds, closer tolerances, smaller factor of safeties, and helical cut gears. That is just my take on it, I am sure others will have other opinions. . .

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Andy Motteberg

04-26-2007 10:06:41




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 Re: Questions About MIssing Teeth in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-26-2007 07:58:14  
Try the Deere board.



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Nebraska Cowman

04-26-2007 09:41:50




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 Re: Questions About MIssing Teeth in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-26-2007 07:58:14  
depends which gears you mean but the bull gear and the pinion seldom fail. Now transmission gears that get "ground" in can be another story and may be hard to find good used ones altough the popular ones are being produced aftermarket. What do you need?



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A. Bohemian

04-26-2007 11:08:02




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 Sorry. I Wasn't Clear in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 04-26-2007 09:41:50  
My tractor is fine. But I have noticed many posts about missing gear teeth in the last few weeks and was curious about how widespread the problem was.



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dwag

04-26-2007 16:51:29




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 Re: Sorry. I Wasn't Clear in reply to A. Bohemian, 04-26-2007 11:08:02  
My Dad had a 52 Super M which knocked a tooth off 4th gear. Being known to be able to "squeeze the sh*t out of a buffalo nickle", he had a local blacksmith shop weld the tooth back on.(mid 50"s) The gear never failed, and you could hear a slight click in 4th. I think that was back when men were men, and welders\ mechanics had some real talent.



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