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Tom Windsor

04-29-2007 14:01:58

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Here it is, and I am hoping it works. This is a chemical tank with the top cut out of it. It has 200 gallons of water in it. I have bought a 12 volt 20 amp 115/12 V Dc converter to hook to it as soon as it get here. As far as the chemicals are concerned, a tablespoon is 20 grams so I have dumped 4000 grams in there (sodium carbonate). (8.8 Pounds) I have placed the pieces of metal around the sides and wired them together. So, as soon as power gets here, I am ready to go??? We will see.

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John in MD

05-01-2007 18:17:02

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

I've found old brake rotors work very well for anodes. I welded them to 1/2 bar stock. I've been using the same rotors for over a year, they're pitted but still have a lot of metal left. If you use this method do not clean the crud off of the bar stock or weld area. The crud insulates it and keeps it from being consumed.

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tprexhurst

04-30-2007 21:04:35

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

This is VERRRRY interesting, but I have a couple of questions:
Is there a write-up somewhere that gives the answers to common questions about this process?
Which part element gets the + side from the battery charger (DC supply), the part being cleaned or the sacrificial elements?
Thanx, Tex

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JayWalt

04-30-2007 21:16:54

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to tprexhurst, 04-30-2007 21:04:35

there sure is, its all over the place. Go to google and type in this

+electrolysis +rust +removal

A bunch of sites will show up, take your pick!!

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hurdy in aussie

04-30-2007 14:13:52

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

Thanks Jay.
Hurdy

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hurdy in aussie

04-30-2007 01:25:06

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Re: my tanks in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

trying to post a picture of the electrolosis tanks

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Hurdy in Aussie

04-30-2007 00:55:20

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

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I built this small tank for my smaller jobs works really will 20 Gall the bigger one is 40 gall and i am puting my Super a Bannet in the gantry i built is great as you can suspend heavier parts

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JayWalt

04-30-2007 06:09:23

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Hurdy in Aussie, 04-30-2007 00:55:20

Here ys go buddy =)
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the Unforgiven

04-29-2007 21:37:56

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

That looks like a nice system, Tom. As for the re-bar, I just don't get it. It would take a while for it to be eaten away, but other than that I just don't see any reason to use it. If I am missing the boat someone enlighten me please. If you had one piece of sheet the size of one side of you tank you would have enough surface area to do pretty large parts, or smaller parts fast, and if you had a sheet on all four sides you would have massive surface, enough to do about any part that will fit in your tank. I see it like bear hunting, do you carry a .22 because if you hit him in the ear just right it might kill him, or do you take the 50 cal. and drop him?

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GeneMO

04-30-2007 17:37:25

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to the Unforgiven, 04-29-2007 21:37:56

.600 Nitro!

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Tom Windsor

04-30-2007 15:15:26

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to the Unforgiven, 04-29-2007 21:37:56

I dont think there is anything magic about the rebar other than they are massive and will be around a while.

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BF8690

04-29-2007 20:02:21

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

That's a sweet setup. Right now I'm just using a trash can with some old T posts from some fencing I tore down. It's working. I plan to build a bigger one this fall when I tear apart the H for resto.

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JayWalt

04-29-2007 15:24:03

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

Tom, If those electrode are stainless, legally that solution becomes hazardous material because of the chromium in the solution. The stainless does get eroded, but takes a very long time. from what I've read because of this letting the solution evaporate and properly disposing of the solid that is left is the legal way to do it. Doesn't look like ur gonna be changing the solution much, and if those electrodes arent stainess, then theres nothing to worry or care about.

Your setup looks pretty kick A$$. Here's a few hints tho tom. The electrolysis process is for the most part a line of site reaction. meaning ideally all of the surface of the object to be cleaned should be directly in from of part of the electrode. That is why alot of people use sheet metal as the electrodes. What would be awesome is vertical slots on all 4 sides that would isolate the electrodes from the object, but still allow for electrolysis. The isolation grid would ideally be some sort of plastic. Now heres the insane setup. It would consist of an overflow filter like those used in an aquarium to keep the water in a decent shape. One would need to ditch the activated charcoal element and use some sort of screen or whathaveyou. This doesnt help the elerolysis process, but the water does get rather grimely rather quickly.

I like your setup!! If I had the space and the stuff, I would give it a go as well

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Tom Windsor

04-29-2007 17:22:11

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to JayWalt, 04-29-2007 15:24:03

No...it is not stainless 2.5 inch wide steel. There are 8 strips that go all the way to the botton of the tank. Will investigage the cleaning setup you suggest. I have a whole pile of the stuff left over from the shut down of my metal fabricat operaton. they do drop in slots on the side and have the lip hanging out to attach the wires under a wing nut.

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Hurdy in Aussie

04-29-2007 14:14:26

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

Looks great Tom let me know how it works
Hurdy

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Tom Windsor

04-29-2007 17:34:16

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Hurdy in Aussie, 04-29-2007 14:14:26

For Everyone's information, Hurdy the Aussie has given me guidance to set this system up along with pictures. He used either 1/2 or 3/4 inch rebar in his tank instead of the sheet steel that I have used. I did not have any rebar, but plenty of free sheet steel, and will keep my eyes open for rebar and when I find enough cheap, I will use them.

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EL Toro

04-29-2007 14:08:44

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to Tom Windsor, 04-29-2007 14:01:58

Nice looking setup. Hal

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GeneMO

04-30-2007 17:33:40

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Re: Electrolisis update in reply to EL Toro, 04-29-2007 14:08:44

Well, Mine is smaller, 55 gallon. I have 8 electrodes/sacrificial metal, (re bars). It works great!!!. Plenty of surface area. I think what I did by mistake was really souped up the solution. I know I used way too much washing soda. ( See previous posts) But bottom line is, when I put 6 to 8 volts through it, it works great!!!! Paint falls off in a few hours. Rust a little later. Keep washing with fresh water, scraping, scuffing with scotch brite pads, etc.. The rust will come off, and you will have brite shinny metal. Dry quickly, degrease, scuff, then prime. Otherwise it will start to rust. I am pleased with the process.

Gene

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