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Farmall Super C rear end problem

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Ron F B

04-29-2007 19:27:33




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Hi all. I have a Farmall Super C w/fast hitch, 1953 I believe, which has a drive train problem. This weekend I was doing some heavy brush-hogging mostly in 1st gear. I stopped the tractor, engine off, to pull out a tough branch. When I started it back up I had all the gears (I believe I could hear the trans. operating and feel some vibration) in all gears including reverse and the pto was operating fine - but no drive movement in any gear. There always has been some minor gnashing going into any gear from a stop but this is the first time with this problem. In the past when snow plowing a couple times I experienced something similar in 1st and 2nd, but 3rd & 4th always worked and then I could shift & operate in 1st & 2nd.

There was a brief 'clang' when this happened but otherwise no unusual noise from the rear end. I'm wondering if I sheared a pin or something similar. Again, all the gears & the pto seem to work and she shift lever seems to be working - just no movement.

Any suggestions on what to check or be prepared for before I start taking things apart? Direct responses to cbb@mich.com would help also. Thanks, Ron - Northville, MI

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gene bender

04-30-2007 04:43:25




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to Ron F B, 04-29-2007 19:27:33  
First thing i would do is drive the pin out holding the shift lever. By removing the shift lever you can see if the rails are all lined up as the end of the shift lever mite be worn enough to not move any rails therefore its not getting in any gear. You didnt say but does the pto work.



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Ron F B

04-30-2007 19:09:12




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to gene bender, 04-30-2007 04:43:25  
Gene - Thank you for taking the time to respond to my problem. Here is the current status. A previous poster, Harold Hubbard, suggested I might have broken an axle. He suggested I start it, put it in gear and push on each of the brakes separately. If she moves or tries to move, he suggested, I had a broken axle and it would be the side I was using the brake on. Following his advice I was able to get her out of the field by applying heavily on the right wheel brake, although I seemed to be getting a lot of noise (clanging) from the left axle.

Although I was doing some heavy brush-hogging at the time, I wasn't overworking the drive wheels. Using Harolds method I seemed to have all 4 forward gears plus reverse, though not a lot of drive power. The pto seems to be working fine.

Next move is to get her into town where I can work on her. On the farm there is too much theft, sad to say. I would appreciate your comments on how things stand now and how best to proceed. If it is a broken axle would you know of a source for a replacement? Is it likely the damaged axle, if it is that, can be repaired or is that a waste of time & money?

Thank you again for taking the time to respond. Your further comments and suggestions will be appreciated.

This is a great forum. More how the internet should be used than other things I've seen on it.

Ron
Northville, MI

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Harold Hubbard

05-01-2007 04:28:57




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to Ron F B, 04-30-2007 19:09:12  
This is a pretty common problem with the C super C, 200, and 230.

I have a C and two Supers, and they have all been done at least once, and the C about three times. You don't have to work them all that heavily to break the axle, just a lot of hours. What got the C, I am sure was snowplowing and rough mowing. When doing either of these things, you are constantly shuttling back and forth, and each shift torques the axle a little bit, sort of like twisting a wire back and forth to break it.

There are a lot of places that have used parts for sale, the axle is heavy enough that close is better to save on shipping. Many of the used ones will have had the outer end hacked off, this is perfectly okay, unless you need to set the wheels out to maximum width, or want show quality. There are two types of retainer for the bull gear, the early models use a plate with two bolts to hold it on, the later models are grooved for a retaining ring, make sure you get the hardware if the new axle is different than the old. While you have the axle out take a very close look at the bearings and seals, now is the time to replace them if necessary, just be sitting down when you ask the price. Now is the time to get a shop manual if you don't already have one. That and a parts book will answer many questions for you.

If your interest runs that way, this might also be the time to start looking for a parts tractor. If you find one you can switch the whole axle and housing, and save yourself some work. beside that, if you are going to use the tractor you will eventually need other parts.

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Harold Hubbard

04-29-2007 19:55:23




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to Ron F B, 04-29-2007 19:27:33  
Sounds like a broken axle. Try putting it in gear, letting the clutch out and then holding down first one brake and then the other. If it moves, or tries to move, depending on how good your brakes are, the side you are holding the brake on when it does has the problem. If you pull the PTO unit off you can look in and maybe pry a little on the bull gears. If either of them will move up and down or tilt sideways it means the end of the axle they are on is broken off. It has been awhile since I repaired one, and I always took the top off the rear end get the stub out of the bull gear and line up the new axle and insert it in the gear. I have to change one some time soon and am going to try to do it through the PTO opening. The hole isn't very big and I may not get far.

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Ron F B

04-30-2007 19:47:12




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to Harold Hubbard, 04-29-2007 19:55:23  
Harold - Thanks for your 'brake' suggestion. Tried it and she moves in all gears, though not with the previous gusto. Jumping on the right brake works. Left brake nothing. There is a good bit of clanging from the left axle though. Next step is to get her into town where I can work on it. What are your thoughts on whether the right axle is repairable - or is that advisable? Any recommendation on locating a replacement axle? Are rights and lefts interchangeable?

I'm thinking of blocking her up, removing the right wheel and then removing the entire axle, probably including the housing.

Your suggestion has been very helpful. Additional suggestions and advice will be greatly appreciated. Any thoughts on why the axle broke? I was doing a good bit of heavy brush-hogging but not with any great strain on the drive train. I would have thought if a problem developed it would have been in the pto system directly. Are axles a weak link on the Super C's?

Thanks again

Ron
Northville, MI

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Ron F B

04-29-2007 21:13:35




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to Harold Hubbard, 04-29-2007 19:55:23  
Harold - I'll try that. Thanks for responding. Ron



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riverbend

04-29-2007 19:35:27




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to Ron F B, 04-29-2007 19:27:33  
If the transmission and pto work, it sounds like you have a problem with the differential. You will have to take the top cover off and have a look. Luckily, it is a simple tractor that was made before planned obsolesence.

Greg



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Ron F B

04-29-2007 19:52:13




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 Re: Farmall Super C rear end problem in reply to riverbend, 04-29-2007 19:35:27  
Greg - Thanks for your very fast reply and your cheering use of the word "Luckily". I'm hoping to discover perhaps just a sheared pin or somesuch that won't require a major overhaul and replacement. When I get into it are there any other items you might recommend be checked or replaced? All 'tips' and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks again. Ron



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