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DAN WV

05-01-2007 10:01:37




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Well I rewired the entire tractor with all new wire and all connections soldered together. and guess what? Still no charging. another new regulator and still nothing. I cleaned all the spaces between the gen and VR brackets and still nothing.
I took a wire directly to the positive (ground) side of the Battery back to the VR base and it started charging. About 8 amps. Now the question I have is the purpose of the 3 position light switch.
When I turn it to "D" the ammeter goes almost all the way to full discharge, When I turn it to "B" the ammeter reads just barely discharging. all this about 3/4 throttle.
Is this the correct function of the switch?
I was under the impression that the system would not charge much until the light switch was turned to"D". Then it would have the system start charging. Thanks again.

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Brownie450

05-01-2007 19:49:17




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 Re: Cub charging update in reply to DAN WV, 05-01-2007 10:01:37  
Just wondering if the generator has a movable third brush? It would be possible also that the generator or fan belt might be slipping enough to charge 8 amps to battery, & then with the lights on would bog down & not put out 15 amps.



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Bob M

05-01-2007 10:51:37




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 Re: Cub charging update in reply to DAN WV, 05-01-2007 10:01:37  
Dan - Presuming you’ve got a 3 position light switch, the switch controls the lights ONLY – it has no effect on charging rate. (BTW the 3 switch positions are Off, Dim and Bright).

With the light switch aside for the moment, the fact the generator charges when you run a wire from the grounded battery terminal to the regulator base tells us the regulator is still not grounded - despite your previous efforts. Recommendation then is to run a permanent wire from the regulator base to a SOLID ground – eg. to the point where the grounded battery cable bolts to the frame.

Now back to the light switch. Presuming the lights are wired up and working, with the engine stopped the ammeter should indicate 0 amps with the switch set to “O”. And you should see a discharge of around 8 – 10 amps with the switch at “D”, and close to 15 amps at “B”. (And of naturally the lights should burn dimly at “D” and light brightly at “B”).

If you don’t get the above either your lights are wired wrong or the light switch itself is messed up (look for the dimming resistor grounding against something inside the box).

Keep in mind also when the engine is running it’s about all the generator can do to keep up with the lights. You’ll get only a few amps of charge at full RPM – as RPMs decrease so will the charge rate. Below about 2/3 throttle the lights draw more than the generator can provide - you’ll begin to see the ammeter indicating a discharge as the engine slows down.

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DAN WV

05-01-2007 11:31:53




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 Re: Cub charging update in reply to Bob M, 05-01-2007 10:51:37  
Bob, thanks for the reply.
The insulation is all coming off the the resistor.
It is possible that it is grounding, but I thought I was careful when putting it back on not to let it touch anything. Might be though.It will not keep up with the lights at even close to full trottle.
Your saying that the GEN should charge something all the time?
I have read other postings that say the charge should drop when the battery gets closer to full charge.
True??
I appreciate your response.
This has just about drove me bananas.
Bout to pull my hair out sometimes

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Bob M

05-01-2007 11:58:14




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 Re: Cub charging update in reply to DAN WV, 05-01-2007 11:31:53  
>Your saying that the GEN should charge something all the time?

>I have read other postings that say the charge should drop when the battery gets closer to full charge.

>True??

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True to both statements Dan! The regulator senses the state of charge of the battery and gradually tapers the charge rate as the battery approaches 100% charge.

Normal operation will have the ammeter show about 15 amps of charge immediately after startup. Then assuming the battery was near full charge before you cranked the engine up, the ammeter will taper off to 3 - 5 amps or so after a few minutes of running. It will then stay around 3 - 5 amps indefinitely.

Note the above also assumes the engine is running near full speed. If you run it slower the charging rates will be less. (And it will not charge at all at/near idle RPM.)

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