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Hole in a super C...kind of long

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matt(PA)

05-02-2007 05:07:04




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Morning.
This is probably going to be confusing (no pictures), but I am stumped, so here goes. A little bit aft of where the torque tube joins the rear, underneath the tractor, there is an approximately 3/4" hole in the casting. It looks to have been cast there (not broken out), as it is perfectly centered on the flat area, at the front point. Any idea what this hole might have been for? Maybe a bolt is missing that is supposed to be in there? My problem is that rear end fluid seems to be leaking out of it (very slowly, just damp), and I would like to put a stop to it.
Hopefully this description is somewhat clear! Ha!
I do own an operators and a parts manual, but I couldn't find a picture of the area in question in either of them.

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Cedric

05-03-2007 03:42:25




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 Re: Hole in a super C...kind of long in reply to matt(PA), 05-02-2007 05:07:04  
Neither my '51 Super C or '54 Super A-1 have ball type thrust bearings in the clutch release assembly. Instead, they have a carbon or graphite ring inserted in the carrier which the fingers bear on. It requires no lubrication so there is no grease fitting.
It appears that the Manual was not updated when the new type bearing was introduced. Sid.



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gene bender

05-02-2007 17:47:28




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 Re: Hole in a super C...kind of long in reply to matt(PA), 05-02-2007 05:07:04  
There is no fitting for that hole and if you have oil there your front seal on the tranny is leaking. Your throw-out bearing gets its grease from the fitting on the carrier and it also lubes the tube where the bearing slides.



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georgeky

05-02-2007 06:30:51




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 Re: Hole in a super C...kind of long in reply to matt(PA), 05-02-2007 05:07:04  
You have a bad seal in the front of transmission. The hole does nothing but let stuff drain out that is not suppose to be there such as rear end oil. If your leak is very small as you indicate I wouldn't worry about until it gets bad. Both of mine a C and a Super C have a little oily spot around the hole on them. It will require a tractor split to install a new seal.



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A. Bohemian

05-02-2007 07:42:02




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 Georgeky is Right and I Was Wrong. in reply to georgeky, 05-02-2007 06:30:51  
Sorry. Misread "3/4 inch" as "3-4 inch." Maybe I should have waited for a picture...

I"d still like to know about that throwout bearing, though. Do you happen to know the answer, George?



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georgeky

05-02-2007 09:13:02




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 Re: Georgeky is Right and I Was Wrong. in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-02-2007 07:42:02  
I cleaned one those mouse nest out just this morning. Getting the Super C and mower ready to cut a little hay. There is not a grease fitting on either my C or Super C throw out bearing. They do have one on the carrier.



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A. Bohemian

05-02-2007 11:52:24




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 Thanks in reply to georgeky, 05-02-2007 09:13:02  
Quote: "There is not a grease fitting on either my C or Super C throw out bearing. They do have one on the carrier."

That's what we all observed on our tractors at the time of the thread I mentioned.

I can only conclude: (a) I was right about the new aftermarket bearings, or (b) there was a production change after the manuals were started that slipped past the editors (it happens).

Quote: "Getting the Super C and mower ready to cut a little hay."

I wonder what you guys grow for hay over the winter in Kentucky? Oats or wheat, perhaps?

Thanks again, George.

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georgeky

05-02-2007 22:45:07




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 Re: Thanks in reply to A. Bohemian, 05-02-2007 11:52:24  
I am just getting ready. The orchard grass will be ready in 2 or 3 weeks. Bluegrass is already in full bloom. It is the devil to mow really tough. Alfalfa is about a week away. Clover will be ready in a couple of weeks. Timothy will be around the middle of June as usual. I also cut a lot of fescue since there is a lot of it here. It is usually ready around the last of May. The wheat is a total loss due to the cold spell. We had a streak of 80 degree weather in March that jump started everything here. Of course we had a cold spell a couple weeks ago that put most things in check. It destroyed the apples,peaches,cherries and anything else that was in bloom, even the dogwood trees.

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Marv

05-02-2007 06:35:40




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 Re: Hole in a super C...kind of long in reply to georgeky, 05-02-2007 06:30:51  
Had the same problen with my Farmall 230. I split the tractor and replaced the input shaft seal and bearing seal. No big job. Marv



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RustyFarmall

05-02-2007 06:04:14




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 Re: Hole in a super C...kind of long in reply to matt(PA), 05-02-2007 05:07:04  
I don't know too much about a super C, or even a C for that matter, but I'm guessing that hole is supposed to be there. It might be an access hole to allow you to grease something that is inside. The oil that is dripping out is coming from either the engine rear main seal, or the transmission input shaft oil seal. There is probably also a plug of some sort that is supposed to go in that hole to prevent dirt and dust from gettin in.

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A. Bohemian

05-02-2007 07:29:14




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 Yep. in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-02-2007 06:04:14  
It sure sounds like he is describing the "hand hole," which SHOULD have a cover on it.

The cover that goes on these, matt, is little more than an aluminium disk, with a hole in the center through which is passed a threaded rod. One end of the rod terminates in a bar which runs across the back of the rim to hold the disk in place, and the other holds a wing nut which is tightened to secure the whole (pun not intended but probabaly unavoidable) assembly.

I could fabricate one, and if I can, you can.

Among other things, the hole allows one to keep the bell housing cleared of debris and to view the timing marks.

It also comes in very handy for removing mouse nests from the bell housing, so much so that we always called it the "mouse nest removal port" in our family.

In addition, the owner's manual for the Super C describes a lubrication point which should be located on the throwout bearing. One other poster and myself examined our tractors carefully and could find no such point.

None of the more experienced posters were able to help us with this!

I searched the archives and found a reference to new and old style bearings, so perhaps the new ones are "lifetime" bearings (which, ironically, would in most applications burn out FASTER than the old ones) which do not require lubrication at this point; while the old ones did require it.

But I was far from satisfied by this information and still hope someone who was around these tractors when they were NEW will be able to help us.

(Flamers beware: before you jump on this post, claiming I am confused about the zerk fitting on the bearing retainer which is lubricated from a different point on the bell housing, you should read the IH Super C Owner's Manual, page 41, item 37. It clearly differntiates between lubrication to be provided to the bearing retainer (item 21) and the bearing itself (item 37).

(No, I'm not going to address the question of whether a rear seall that is just weeping needs to be replaced; even I know what a can of worms that would be!)

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El Toro

05-02-2007 05:57:16




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 Re: Hole in a super C...kind of long in reply to matt(PA), 05-02-2007 05:07:04  
I think you need to get a picture and post it. Hal



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