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Farmall H starting problems

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sweet48

05-07-2007 06:53:28




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this may sound weird, but I can get my H to start by pulling it, very easy, but it just don't seem to want to start easy when cranking off of the battery it spins freely just wont start hardly, any ideas




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Janicholson

05-07-2007 07:48:43




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to sweet48, 05-07-2007 06:53:28  
A weak ignition system will do that every time.

Here is a simple test.

This method supplies voltage to the ignition with no connection to the regular battery. Jumper a different battery (observe the polarity of the system by grounding the same terminal on this jumping battery as on the regular battery) to the terminal on the supply side of the coil (from the switch, not the terminal with wire going to the distributor)

Leave the switch off.

Hit the starter and spin the engine. Ill bet it starts up instantly.

The coil, condenser, or points may be bad. Start by replacing the points/condenser. Adjust them to .020" when fully open. If the issue still persists, try a different coil.

Starter motor drag can also cause this symptom by reducing voltage till it can't find enough spark ti light off, but you indicated it spins freely. Good luck, JimN

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georgeky

05-07-2007 07:17:56




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to sweet48, 05-07-2007 06:53:28  
I missed the hardly. Does it start sometimes with the starter? Mine would never start with it.



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georgeky

05-07-2007 07:14:33




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to sweet48, 05-07-2007 06:53:28  
Bare with me on this. Try running a hot wire from battery to the coil and see if it will start using the starter. My M done this several years ago and nearly drove me crazy trying to figure it out. Some think I am crazy, but after repacing all electrical components such as points,coil,condensor. switch and even some of the wiring none of it helped a bit. Like yours I could pull it 2 feet and it would start and run fine. If you tried to start with starter it lost all spark to the points and would do nothing. I still am not sure what was wrong excactly, but I finally put on a new voltage regulator and it has started every time since.

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Bob

05-07-2007 07:13:27




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to sweet48, 05-07-2007 06:53:28  
You don't say if it's still 6-Volt, or a 12-Volt conversion.

However, what's happening is a classic sign of a weak ignition system, and POSSIBLY a battery with a weak cell, or even a starter that has worn bushings, and is "dragging" a bit.

When you pull-start the tractor, the full battery voltage is available to the ignition system, and, obviously, it then has a hot enough spark to start the engine.

When you use the starter, the battery voltage is drawn down by the load of the starter, making less voltage available to the ignition system, and the spark is then too weak to "fire" the engine.

Post back with what type of electrical system you have, original, or 12-Volt conversion.

On the odd chance it has a mag, if the mag's impulse has failed, spark would be weak while cranking with the starter, and HOTTER when pulled, with the engine turning faster.

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sweet48

05-07-2007 08:11:06




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to Bob, 05-07-2007 07:13:27  
I should of said that it has a Magneto, and 6 volts

brand new Battery, Starter and good fat new cables from the battery + to the starter switch to the starter, my belief is with a Magneto if the motor is turning it is making its own spark , am I right?

the only thing i just thought of is that the ground wire may be one of the 12 volt type that you all say stay away from ? Thanks all



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El Toro

05-07-2007 09:20:43




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to sweet48, 05-07-2007 08:11:06  
Pull the coil wire from the mag's cap and hold it within 1/8-1/4" of good ground while someone makes an attempt to start the tractor. Make sure the grounding switch is in the run position. You should have a hot blue fire from that coil wire.
Check those points to make sure they're set at .020" on the high point of the cam. Clean them with some 320 wet or dry and then take a cotton swab dipped in alcohol and clean them again. If they're pitted replace them. If the fire from that coil wire is weak you probably need a new coil. One more thing is to make sure the impulse coupling is snapping ok. This gives a hotter spark during the initial startup. Hal

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El Toro

05-07-2007 13:23:41




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to El Toro, 05-07-2007 09:20:43  
Hi Jim, Thanks for correction, it is .013". Hal



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Janicholson

05-07-2007 11:06:55




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to El Toro, 05-07-2007 09:20:43  
I think the point setting is .013" on a mag! JimN



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sweet48

05-07-2007 08:14:58




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to sweet48, 05-07-2007 08:11:06  
yes it does start ocassionally off of the starter but not very often

I should of said that it has a Magneto, and 6 volts

brand new Battery, Starter and good fat new cables from the battery + to the starter switch to the starter, my belief is with a Magneto if the motor is turning it is making its own spark , am I right?

the only thing i just thought of is that the ground wire may be one of the 12 volt type that you all say stay away from ? Thanks all

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Janicholson

05-07-2007 08:16:20




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to sweet48, 05-07-2007 08:14:58  
Impulse coupling on the Mag is in need of service. JimN



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sweet48

05-07-2007 12:21:03




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to Janicholson, 05-07-2007 08:16:20  
can you offer me some advise on how to service one



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georgeky

05-07-2007 07:19:51




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 Re: Farmall H starting problems in reply to Bob, 05-07-2007 07:13:27  
Hey Bob, any ideas what was wrong with my M? I still don;t know. I have considered it a mystery.



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