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Milky goo from pto on model M? Help!

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M.Rad.

05-10-2007 09:19:45




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Hello everyone! I just found this forum today, and none too soon by the look of things!
I recently bought a 1950 model M in what seemed to be rather good shape. It pulls strong, and is a joy to use. Yesterday while running a shredder I noticed what looks like oil/water mix dripping from the pto seal.

Questions: is this coming from the main differential or is the pto independently lubricated? Does the differential and transmission share lubricant? How much goes in there? How hard is it to replace the seal (it looks like the pto housing is bolt-on)?

I'll be getting a manual soon...
Thanks in advance for any pointers.

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M.R.

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M.Rad.

05-10-2007 10:48:33




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to M.Rad., 05-10-2007 09:19:45  
Thanks guys. I"m glad to hear it not something terminal! Is the transmission oil seperate? And does it also accumulate water?

Also, I "ve already sheared two shredder drive bolts (the ones connecting the input to the output)in only about 4 hrs of running. Seems to happen while turning. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks again!

Regards,
M.R.



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Don L C

05-10-2007 13:39:45




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to M.Rad., 05-10-2007 10:48:33  
Put about 5 gal. heating oil or diesel fuel in after draining..... ..put the drain plug back in ....drive the tractor around with PTO running..... .now drain that good and add 13 gal of 90w ----140w gear oil....you can get it at Ttactor Supply....

Put some caulking to seal the filler hole....



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Nat 2

05-10-2007 12:33:25




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to M.Rad., 05-10-2007 10:48:33  
There is only one cavity for gear lube on these tractors. Just drain it out from the bottom, and refill.

Two possibilities for shearing bolts:
1. You're hitting things.
2. The drawbar is flopping around and messing up the alignment, putting undue stress on the driveline.



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onefarmer

05-10-2007 15:05:54




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to Nat 2, 05-10-2007 12:33:25  
Or turning too sharp causing the driveline to chatter, shearing the bolt.



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dhermesc

05-10-2007 11:42:40




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to M.Rad., 05-10-2007 10:48:33  
If you aren't hitting stumps you're probably going to fast. What ever you do don't put a hardened bolt in. Instead of shearing it you'll be replaceing the PTO on the M or the gear box on the shredder.



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georgeky

05-10-2007 09:35:23




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to M.Rad., 05-10-2007 09:19:45  
It is lubricated from the differential oil. Most of these old tractors do have water in the rear end. Just change the oil and most of it will come out. The seal is a double leather seal in the bolt on housing you spoke of. The rear end inspite of one of my previous post hold 13 gallons of 90 weight or heavier gear oil. It is available in 5 gallon buckets.



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dhermesc

05-10-2007 10:05:00




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to georgeky, 05-10-2007 09:35:23  
Agree with the water part. You might want to make sure you have 4 - 5 gallon buckets for the oil water mix. Its amazing how much water can accumulate in there.

About any gear oil from 80W-90 or 90W-140 will do the job. Buy it by the 5 gallon pail at TSC or who ever, the cheaper off brands (Cato, Mystic, Harvest King) will be suffice. Any of them are better then what the factory poured in 50+ years ago.

With the oil out it will be the perfect time to fix the PTO seal. More likely then not the stess of running the brush hog is what made it finally give out and you can only count on it to get worse.

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glennster

05-10-2007 09:29:24




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to M.Rad., 05-10-2007 09:19:45  
the pto and rear case all use the same lube. real common for them old girls to get moisture in em. some down thru the shifter, deck bolts ect. below the pto you will see a pipe plug, thats the drain. get 3-4 5 gallon pails handy it holds about 12 gallons or so of gear lube.what i like to do to flush em out, loosen the plug almost all the way out, water should start running out. let it drip till you get just oil. then drain about 2-3 gallons of lube out, add a couple gallons of kerosene to the gear case,fill plug is up by the shifter on the deck, you will need a rachet to unscrew it, its either a 1/2 inch drive square or 3/4, i ferget. drive the tractor around for a while to get her cleaned up a little, then drain it out, let it drip for a day or 2. then refill, use 90 to 140 wt lube. pretty sure you can change the pto seal from the outside. there is a oil level plug on the left side in front of the rear axle by the clutch pedal, remove pipe plug, fill it till it starts to drip out!!! good to go!!

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nballen

05-10-2007 09:50:28




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 Re: Milky goo from pto on model M? Help! in reply to glennster, 05-10-2007 09:29:24  
On my '49 H, that plug requires a 3/4" drive.

Since I don't have a ratchet that size, I use my large channel-lock pliers. A piece of 3/4" square tubing (or bar stock) would also work well.

Nathaniel



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