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Diana JH

05-19-2007 11:40:09




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Howdy people,
Just touching base here. Another semester done and I can peek in on you all. My tractor (IH 350 utility, diesel) has been sitting for a full year now. I try to start it, the points stick, things start smoking and burning and I freak out. The battery cells go haywire during the process and I lose yet another one or two batteries. I have checked the wiring and nothing looks crossed. The only thing I can think is the batteries aren't enough power to get the job done (even new. Could that be causing the points to stick? I've put two new regulators in it etc. I'm bummed. I need to mow the fields and move some barn litter.
I can't keep going through batteries and regulators.
Hubby is out of a job as of Sept. 1st and if this tractor doesn't shape up, I am gonna have to sell her. No sense in letting her sit there getting a free ride.
Hi to Hugh! Miss talking to ya.

Diana

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Diana JH

05-20-2007 12:57:11




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
Howdy,
First let me say the length of his thread is becoming an embarrassment to me!
OK, battery charged, take to tractor and disconnect wire on solenoid that goes to start button. Done.
Got the guts up to put pos cable on battery and here comes the negative to the neg post...on! SMOKE! Take cable off quick! The smoke was coming from the area of magnetic switch on solenoid where the pos cable to battery and 2g cable from solenoid is.
Say a few things to my self, well...just one word, actually and walk in the house to tell ya all what happened. Got in the house and the light bulb in my head lit up...I recall "contacts" sticking in the regulator. I go back out and take cover off. None stuck but the top set has a bit of carbon or something on it so I clean that up. Probably from a previous stick. OK, I DO want to know if those bottom contacts are supposed to be so close together they look like they are touching, and they may even be, I can't tell.
Since the regulator wasn't too remarkable, decided to go ahead and switch those wires on the amp gauge, so I did. I also went ahead and repaired the wire that went to the ignition button and reattached it. Walk back around and put the pos on the post and touch the neg and SMOKE again. THIS time though, I see a BIG culprit- that gas know cable I broke this morning slid down the back of the dash and of all the places for it to make contact...right ON the magnetic switch post for the wire that goes to the ignition switch that I had just repaired. I doubt it was there just a few minutes before though. Like a complete idiot, I grab the cable to shove it back up into the dash and guess what...it was pretty darn hot and I have a nice burn on my hand to prove it. OK, I know that caused a short there but I also know it was only there for one try, so do I try again??? YUP. Keep in mind, my goal here is to engage the solenoid and starter by jumping it. I put the pos cable on the battery and am holding the neg in my hand. I finally get brave and put the neg on the post. Up until this try there was ALWAYS at least a small spark at the post, which ever one was put on last. No spark. NO SMOKE. NOTHING bad is happening!!!
I stood there for must have been 2 or 3 minutes staring at that solenoid waiting for smoke. All looked ok, so I grab my trusty screwdriver and prepare to touch the two terminals without touching anything else on the tractor (not an easy feat when you are shaking). Just for good measure, I held a board with my left hand to the battery since my face had no choice but to be too close for comfort in the event the battery blew or some odd thing. I touch the two posts, solenoid engages, starter engages and I pulled the screwdriver away and took a sigh of relief cause I am thinking this is a good thing, right?
Now I await your reply on this. I am hoping it is good news. I am guessing it was that ignition button wire causing the short (if it is in fact a solved situation) since it was almost broke in two and bare and probably touching metal it shouldn't be touching. Then, when I fixed it and that gas stop cable was laying on the post, it created the same response. Can't wait to hear what ya all have to say about this!
Now I have to see if I can find some much needed parts while waiting for your reply.
Diana

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georgeky

05-20-2007 16:33:14




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-20-2007 12:57:11  
Hi Diana JH, I see you have made progress. Sorry I didn't check in for the last few hours, been baling hay this afternoon. After thinking about your problem, I remember having the very same problem 10 years ago after installing new gauges in my 350. I to had a bare wire that was grounding out on the dash panel after I put it back together. I had to take it back apart and replace that wire and it worked fine. I assumed when you said it had been rewired that those boneheads would have wired the instrument cluster too. I think all of your problems are with the instrument wiring. Looks like you have about got it figured out. I knew you would. Let us know if it starts and runs as I for one hope you get it going.

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Diana JH

05-20-2007 10:11:28




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
OK guys,
I took the hood off and the more I looked, the faster my heart pounded and the sicker I got! I have the list in my hand that I had handed to those guys that charged me 1300.00 to do the maint. on this tractor. I am so upset, I am having chest pains over this! (took some aspirin). First, of my own fault, I broke the fuel stop control cable. The outer casing of if was broken, which I found out yesterday when I took the dash off. The cable itself was still in one piece till I went to move it this morning and it cracked in two. That is the least of my worries at the moment. Probably good it broke now rather than while out in the field.
The wire is going to the manifold heater as it should be. The intake manifold air restrict valve is MEGA froze up and the adjustment screw is broken. Appears to have been that way for a long time. Although the wire is attached, doesn't mean the heater is working. I'll disconnect the wire, clean the area and reattach to make sure there is good contact.
The hose between the manifold and air cleaner is shot. It looks like it could even be an original hose. It doesn't appear to have any leaks in it though, so if anyone is interested in buying an heirloom IH hose, first 1300.00 takes it with free shipping! I am blown away since one of the requests on this list I have here was to replace ALL hoses needing replaced, whether they be air, cooling, or hydro. They did replace some of the visible hydro hoses, but not all hydro that were leaking at the time, which kinda p'd me off clear back then. Like it needs to be sucking in air and leaking fluid.
Anyway, the thing that is causing the tummy ache is that the air cleaner, which is an oil cleaning type has the "cap" at the bottom that you put the oil in. This cap was on crooked and at the back side of it you could actually see an air space of roughly 1/4" That is how cockeyed it was on there. When I saw that, my heart started pounding really fast and really hard.
I loosened the fastener and tipped it forward and the thing was FULL of water. Now I can't recall that I used this tractor last year, but I know we used it the year before. I have to assume this filter has been like this since I got it back from the dimwits, which means chances are that there was water in there in 2005 when I used it and this water, even by condensation while running would have sucked right into the manifold! WATER IN MY MOTOR. Not JUST water in my motor, but water in my motor and then a motor that has sat for over a year! This makes me totally sick! Its hard enough to find parts for a utility, let alone a continental diesel. Still charging batteries and I do think once the rain quits I will go out and check the starter. I'm also gonna switch those wires on the amp gauge cause I really think they are backward.
I gotta get looking for a couple of parts. Not sure I will be able to find the fuel cable, but I might be able to improvise with something from a walk mower...or Toms camaro...choke cable might work...yeh!
Talk soon,
Diana

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Diana JH

05-20-2007 07:00:05




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 Guys! Ya Gotta read this! in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  

Not saying I don't have other problems in this electrical system, but I WAS using two batteries and the batteries were not equal. This is VERY interesting!

Read on....

The cells in a battery can be connected in parallel, series, or in both. A parallel combination of cells has the same voltage as a single cell, but can supply a higher current (the sum of the currents from all the cells). A series combination has the same current rating as a single cell but its voltage is the sum of the voltages of all the cells. Most practical electrochemical batteries, such as 9 volt flashlight (torch) batteries and 12 V automobile (car) batteries, have several cells connected in series inside the casing. Parallel arrangements suffer from the problem that, if one cell discharges faster than its neighbour, current will flow from the full cell to the empty cell, wasting power and possibly causing overheating. Even worse, if one cell becomes short-circuited due to an internal fault, its neighbour will be forced to discharge its maximum current into the faulty cell, leading to overheating and possibly explosion. Cells in parallel are therefore usually fitted with an electronic circuit to protect them against these problems. In both series and parallel types, the energy stored in the battery is equal to the sum of the energies stored in all the cells.

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NIndianaDan

05-20-2007 06:35:43




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
Diana, I live 15 minutes away from you, towards South Bend. I am an electrician at a Steel Mill near you. I've got a few old farmalls that I manage to keep running, ones a diesel. If you would like some help, I'd be game to try. Email me off board if you are interested. farmall856@earthlink.net. Dan



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georgeky

05-19-2007 20:24:31




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
Let me know if you got the email. Sometimes they don't go through.



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 19:57:10




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
OK, this thingy the cable (2g) goes to off the solenoid is called a magnetic switch. Then the positive battery cable comes off of the magnetic switch, same post the 2g cable is on, and goes to the battery.
I saw the cable (red) coming off of what would be the left side of the magnetic switch that goes to the heater. I'll have to check the heater closer tomorrow. There is also center post on the magnetic switch that has a red wire coming straight up. Might be the wire that goes to the push button for the heater.

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georgeky

05-19-2007 20:13:29




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 19:57:10  
The red wire does go to the heater switch, then there is a blue wire from switch to the push button starter switch. I am going to email you my phone number and you call me tomorrow and I will stand beside mine and see if we can get this figured out. Hows that?



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 20:37:15




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 20:13:29  
I just went back out and checked and no blue wire. The only blue wire I can see is the one going from the regulator to the generator. I haven't taken the left hood off yet, so I will do that tomorrow so I can follow things yet further. I might as well just do the whole shebang since I have this much off already. As for calling, I can do that but I usually tend to stay away from phones because I am severely hearing impaired. Between that and taking the phone that far, not sure if it would work. If I get desperate though, I might. I don't use cell phone at all because I can't hear on them at all, plus we don't get much signal out here.
I'm already bugged by those wires being backward on the amp gauge but I just don't see how that could cause this problem. I would think it would just show a reverse read.
That wire that was bare at the key has to be creating some sort of issue too, I would think.
I'll put a new connector on it tomorrow. I am kind of concerned because the wire is very short already. I have some 14 and 16g wire in the garage I could splice, but that sounds like a bit of overkill on that particular wire.
I'll bet that camaro has some wire in it that would be JUST the right size though! he takes batteries...I take wire!
Do ya have my email?
Diana

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georgeky

05-19-2007 20:55:53




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 20:37:15  
It may not have been a blue wire, it was dark out there. I will get a better look at things in the morning. I can't hear on those cell phones either. I have a rechargeble that I use and my tractor is very close. So we will try to make do via the computer. I bet that Camaro does have some nice wires on it. I don't think those reversed wires are the problem either.



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IHC-Farmall

05-19-2007 19:05:31




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
IF you ever plan on selling let me know!



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 18:23:19




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
Also....the positive cable for the battery is a 2G not a 1G like the negative. This cable that jumps from the front of the solenoid (which by the way IS attached to the starter) to the "thingy" is also a 2G.
Was looking for my batteries and guess what Hugh...one is in Toms SPITFIRE! Gonna be a war here, yup, war!



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 18:15:48




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 Here is what I found so far: in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
OK,
I finally took the dash apart so I could see exactly where things are going.
On the regulator, the middle wire (gray)should go to the instrument panel...and it does....BUT!
The diagram says REAR VIEW of panel and looking at the amp gauge from a rear view, this wire should be on the right along with the black wire that goes to the solenoid control switch at the ignition. The Red wire that goes from the left on this gauge goes to the solenoid switch. These wires are switched! The gray and the black wire are on the left and the red wire is on the right.
Also, The black wire coming from this amp gauge to the back of he ignition is bald and frayed and ready to crack right behind the ignition key socket where it attached.
Lastly and I am not sure at all about this;
On the solenoid the two main posts. One goes to the starter motor, which is correct. I question the other one though. From the looks of the diagram, there is the fat red wire that goes to the amp gauge and it does. On this same post there is an approximate 2g wire going to a small "thing" attached to the solenoid. Not sure what this thing is but this cable goes to it and then the positive cable comes from that post on this thingy and goes to the pos on the battery. It kind of reminds me of an upside down fuel pump casing.
My diagram says post on solenoid to battery, not to this thingy.
I still have more looking to do but it is getting too dark.
Glad to hear your ideas so far and what IS this thingy on the solenoid????
Thanks!
Diana

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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2007 20:04:01




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 18:15:48  
Diana: Your making progress, give attention to all of what Jim, George and Karl have said. Next time it's cranking and doesn't stop, give starter a good tap with a hammer, if that stops it your reasonably sure that spacer may be missing. They are really just washer that serve as shims to stop bendix gear from engaging too far. There may be need for more than one or different thickness. What your finding under dash suggests you should do Jim's suggested test. Finally my opinion, but I don't think this is your current problem. Positive and negative cables just complete a curcuit, having 1g neg and 2g pos, is only as good as the weakest link.

I've also always said, two 12 volt parallel are no different or better than two 6 volt in series as long as cranking amp are the same. Here is one advantage of two 6 volt in series, the one battery will not work in a Spitfire, Camaro, etc.

To George, Karl and Jim; you are not dealing with some run of the mill housewife, or dumb blond with a pretty face, although I've never personally met Diana, so she may well have the blond hair and pretty face. The 3-4 years I've known her I'm inclined to picture her as a firey redhead. Tom met her when she with her Mustang chalanged him with his Camaro to a drag near Michigan City. I've forgotten who took the drag. He took her home to a 46 acre farm and he went off a city job with a multi-national corp. Diana being quite an able auto mechanic, soon became a housewife and mother, then a farmer. I gather she stayed out of trouble with her farming quite well while Tom's dad was around. Today she relies on us here at YT. I thought after the new batteries, starter, solinoid and wiring harness, she had the 350 cured as we hadn't heard from her in some time. I'll get quite a strong lecture for this disclosure, maybe even a personal e mail but I felt I had to let you guys know a bit more about who your dealing with.

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georgeky

05-19-2007 20:33:12




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2007 20:04:01  
Hugh, I could see all that just from what time we have dicussed this. It is quite refreshing to know some women are into old iron or junk or whatever you call them. Like I said in a previous post, I wish my wife had her enthusiasm for these old jewels.



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 20:21:14




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2007 20:04:01  
Hugh, are you saying I could use 2 6v and he couldn't use my batteries??? How clever if that is true!
OK, I have brown hair with more gray in it than I want. Face isn't pretty from too many years of dealing with Tom stealing my batteries and my tools...which is why after a few years of yelling about it, he finally got the idea to get me tools for christmas since it was easier than trying to round up all of the ones he took! By the way, I rounded them up myself and now have a very nice collection!
Tom won the race...He does have a pretty hefty HP in that car, but I always use the excuse that I had to slow down and get back on the right side of the road. You would think a guy would give the right side to the gal, but not Tom.
As far as not hearing from me in a while, it is because of school. When I have nasty classes, I don't take much time to play in the message boards, although I should cause you guys are always there for me. I should give you that lecture, but then it is fair that the other guys should know they don't need to be dreaming about me and my "blond hair" tonight, wondering if I'm a 36/28/36 figure and all. (I'm not)
Interesting, the farmer next door always ties up with these cute little size zero chicks and then wonders why they don't want to be part of the farming "team". I wish I had the GUY that wants to be part of the farming team.
At least I have a guy that lets me play with the tractor and doesn't yell too much when I just about start his car on fire with it!

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Hugh MacKay

05-20-2007 03:13:29




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 20:21:14  
Diana: I'm sure your being quite modest, age is never kind to any of us, however in your case, exuberance and enthusiem more than make up for age and time. George is just probably starting to realize, that helping you solve this problem will be as rewarding as any advice he has given on YT.

As I recall, I was the one that talked you into that new wiring harness.



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Diana JH

05-20-2007 06:29:53




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-20-2007 03:13:29  
Yup Hugh,
you suggested the harness cause the old wiring was in pretty bad shape. You also suggested two batteries...and one of the other fellows said he uses just one with a 650 crank, I think. Did you see that post?
I wish I could get away with just one! Tom is out there as we speak getting my battery out of his spitfire. Now I have to figure out where the other one is (and I know he has it in something out there). I think one of them blew a cell the last year but I will still need it as a trade in.
It's drizzling out at the moment, but nice and cool. Don't think I want to be testing the starter till after it quits.
Gonna finish my coffee and head out there and get the hood off. I am actually excited to see what is under there! Hopefully, the culprit!
Be back soon!

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georgeky

05-19-2007 19:17:19




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 18:15:48  
I will look at mine in the morning and see if I can find anything for you. I thought you had it rewired by someone else. If that is the case I would want my money back.



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 19:40:10




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 19:17:19  
I DID have it wired by someone else. I bought the loom myself and they put it in. I'm figuring the green wire coming off of the regulator that comes to behind the dash is for the lighting. I had asked them to get the lights working but they didn't. They also drilled a friggen hold in my dash for the heater button when all they had to do was remove the toggle and put it there (where it belongs). Why they did that, I don't know either. I am not real clear on why this one black wire is bald and about to break since it should have been a new wire, unless it blew there during one of the tractors spastic moments. I wish I could find one big battery to start this thing, too. I think both of the batteries are 850 crank and it sure can drain it down fast.
I am concerned that it wasn't started at all last year and has been sitting there. Not even cranked.
Can't be good for it!
Asked them to fix a leak in the radiator lower petcock too. It had a slow drip. Didn't fix it. But as I recall, the bill was around 1300.00!
There is a Case International place within 10 or 15 minutes of here that would be glad to work on it for me, but I am afraid what the cost would be and don't want to put out any more money than I have to with hubby losing his job come september. I have to do as much as I can myself.
Its gonna be hard to sleep tonight knowing I want to mess with it tomorrow. Once I get messing, its hard to stop. Plus, I start seeing that I want to clean up the metal on it and repaint and all, but don't want to spend the money for that either.
Poor tractor probably hates me by now!

Diana

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georgeky

05-19-2007 20:02:27




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 Re: Here is what I found so far: in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 19:40:10  
I wish my wife had your enthusiasm, I would have all my junk fixed by now. If you are draining two 850 batteries you do have a dead short somewhere. My 350D Farmall only has one and it starts right up. I would surely be on that mechanics case over such a cobbling. I am always amazed how some folks sleep at night. I think you could get a 1000 amp battery taht should work very well. I am going out right now to look at mine and will let you know if I find anything.

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Janicholson

05-19-2007 16:05:48




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
Diana, My family lives on the other side of MC from you (the old homestead) I live in Minnesota.

I think that the solenoid on the starter (if replaced) is probably good, there may be power going to the starter after the button is pushed and relaesed, this tests the starter only, not Manifold heater or other wiring. However here is my take on a trial run. Disconnect the little wire on the solenoid that goes to the start button. With that OFF of the terminal, the tractor in neutral with the brakes set, and having loosened a battery cable in preparation for pulling it off to stop the starter if the test goes poorly, try this:

Use a screwdriver to short between the small terminal, and the solenoid terminal connected to the battery. (be careful to not short to ground, solenoids may be metal and thus there would be many sparks. This will cause the solenoid to snap in and connect the starter. Remove the screwdriver and it will stop. Tell us what happens. JimN

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Diana JH

05-19-2007 18:27:25




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Janicholson, 05-19-2007 16:05:48  
I'll try this tomorrow IF I can get some batteries to work with. It takes two batteries to start this tractor but I am sure only one is necessary to turn the starter.



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jpl

05-19-2007 14:34:45




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
I dont know if your 12 or 6 volt, but if your 6 volt be sure you dont have 12 volt cables on it, that will cause you alot of problems. i had that problem and found out the ground cable was for 12 volt. 6 volt cables are heavier.



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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2007 13:49:55




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
Diana from Indiana, kind of neat eh. No wonder the tractor is acting up if you don't give it any more of your attention than you give us. I remember the folks on here discussing this tractor with you, and at the time you had an electrical mess. Sounds as though that hasn't been completely cured. Bring me up to date on all electrical work done since you first came here, to YT almost 4 years ago.

Your description today, sounds as though the solinoid is not breaking contact when you stop cranking. You rebuilt the starter, did that also include a new solinoid? As I recall there was also some problems with the manifold heater, designed to assist in starting, did you get that one resolved? Did you ever pick up an IH operator's manual? Those contain excellent wiring diagrams, that would give you the oportunity to check and see if it is properly wired. There has got to be something wrong with the wiring if starter, solinoid and manifold heater are all good.

I was in Indiana about three weeks ago, did a bit of touring around the north east part of the state. Don't know where all we were, just Marg. and I enjoying the rural countryside. I do know we saw a sign saying Chicago, and the miles to were only 2 diget. From what you told me, I suspect we were not far from your place.

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Diana JH

05-19-2007 14:14:21




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2007 13:49:55  
Diana from Indiana (that's where my dad picked my name from!) My brothers name is Gary...bet you can figure that one out, too. Gary Indiana. Go figure.
HOWDY HUGH!!!!! !
I'm basically still in the same place I was last year, which is why the little piece of trouble is still sitting outside my bedroom window. I know the solenoid was replaced because I did it myself. I do have the diagrams, which is what I follow to make sure all of the wires are where they are supposed to be.
Remember, I hired the wiring harness done and when they did that, I think that is when life got ugly. I really don't think they have the glows hooked up at all because I try to heat her up first and it just doesn't feel right. I don't know how else to explain that one. I just know what I know about heating her up before I started her. There was a smell from her heating and I don't smell that anymore.
The only place I possibly haven't checked wiring is right at the top part of under the dash. I eyeball it and it looks good but I haven't taken the dash off. I am starting back for summer classes monday but it is a light load cause I am burned out. I;m trying to speed things up since Tom will be losing his job and I need to get one as soon as I get my RN, which is still a ways down the road. I have to get this figured out before the heat comes of summer or I can't go out there because of my MS unless I want to crawl back in the house! All winter, she sat out there and I would look at her and just get so bummed. Tom has no desire to help out with this. He has his own projects.
I guess I am just gonna have to bite the bullet and go out there with my trusty tool sets Hubby got me for christmas (cool tools!)and tear her down. Sure wish I could bring her in the house where it is cool. :)
You had to be within 30 minute of my place. I live between South Bend and Michigan City/Laporte by where State rd 2 meets US 20. It would be so cool to meet you, but then you risk me getting on my knees and handing you the tools!
OK, gotta get supper.
I think I'll start taking her skin off tonight.

Diana

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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2007 15:13:04




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 14:14:21  
Diana: We had driven US 20, from Toledo west into Indiana and at one point crossed state road 2, I do remember that. It was interesting countryside, lot of folks out in their yards or shops tinkering with old iron. I knew we had to be close to some YT folks. We toured around west of I-69 on several routes and side roads, doubling back to I-69 and home. This was intended to be a two day jaunt, however on Fri. night just before leaving Sat am, a friend reminded me I had to be somewhere else on Sun. I had hoped he had forgotten. Terrible thing when you want someone to forget something and they don't.

There has to be still something messed up on the 350 wiring, either wired wrong or not wired heavy enough. George Has a 350 diesel in the Farmall version, configuration will be different however components will be the same. When trouble shooting tractor electrical, keep your eye peeled for the simple things. There is some detail there someone has missed.

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georgeky

05-19-2007 14:49:10




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 14:14:21  
Now we have something to check. There is not any glow plugs in this tractor. It uses a heating element inside the manifold. I suspect you could have a short of somekind there. Maybe the switch is stuck. It may even be the key switch since you said the starter stays engaged sometimes. Leave the key off and try jumping across the solenoid with something and see if it will turn over any better. If you don't know how to do this reply back and I will try to explain how.

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Diana JH

05-19-2007 15:54:33




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 14:49:10  
Oh gosh, gonna be hard to keep up with the thread it appears! OK, heater manifold....george, ya might have a point there because when those guys worked on it, they replaced the heater BUTTON thingy. Here is what it WAS:
Turn key to the right.
There was a toggle switch that controlled the heater. I didn't like the fact it was a toggle cause of the possibility of leaving it on or accidentally turning it on. Anyway, I would hit the toggle for a count of 60 if it was cold out, maybe a little less. That is when I could smell it heating up. I would turn the toggle off and hit the ignition BUTTON. I asked for them to replace the toggle with a heavy duty button, which I purchased myself cause I didn't want some cheap crap in there. That just has to be where the problem is! This is so frustrating.
For those who are keeping up, I think I have 1g cables for the batteries. I know they are super huge. The heaviest I could buy at the farm store.
Hugh! You were within 5 minutes of me!!!!!

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ric1

05-19-2007 12:11:50




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
i didnt know a diesel had points?



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 12:55:49




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to ric1, 05-19-2007 12:11:50  
should I be saying "contacts" in the regulator?



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georgeky

05-19-2007 11:58:31




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 11:40:09  
Does it try to crank over at all or just smoke?



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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2007 14:06:21




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 11:58:31  
George: Diana has had electrical problems with this 350 diesel close to 4 years now. I know you have one of these, in the Farmall version. From earlier discussion, I suspect she has wiring make over done by someone. If I recall some of the earlier discussion,(a wiring jungle was the description) and I suspect she doesn't have it sorted out yet.

You might ask her if she is allowed to store the 350 in the garage with hubby's classic Camaro. Kind of touchy subject, it's not everyday a Camaro gets washed with calcium chloride.

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Diana JH

05-19-2007 15:41:52




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2007 14:06:21  
Oh Jeesh! Ya had to go and bring that up! She sat outside all winter and I know she hates me for it.
Tom has the camaro in there along with one of the boys' cars..a Fiat Beratone (sp) and he bought a spitfire last year, so that is in there, plus my step sons mustang. No room for my tractor.
I think I am going to go back through the old messages and see if there was advice there I didn't take...although usually I am pretty good at listening to you guys and doing what you say (within reason).

Diana

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georgeky

05-19-2007 14:36:22




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2007 14:06:21  
Bound to be something out of whack somewhere. Mine turns over good even with a cheap 650 amp battery on it. Maybe her cables are to small. I never was a big Camaro fan anyhow. A Belair is another story or even an old Impala.



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 12:08:39




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 11:58:31  
Yup, it cranks over and sometimes, won't stop cranking unless you pull a battery cable. We are talking burning smoke from the solenoid, or the starter (newly rebuilt) and all of those other important electrical things! I am afraid of it now cause I don't want to burn up more parts.



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georgeky

05-19-2007 13:20:05




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 12:08:39  
I am not to bright on eletrical problems myself, Maybe you have a bad connection somewhere with a battery cable and not getting enough electric to the starter. I assume it isn't cranking fast enough to start the tractor. I suppose the solenoid could be faulty as I have gotton new electrical parts that were no good. Some of the other guy's with more eltrical knowledge than me will chime in.



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 13:31:01




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to georgeky, 05-19-2007 13:20:05  
Solenoid has been replaced twice. Regulator twice.
I've checked every inch of wiring more than once for solid connection and gone through the wiring diagram more than once as well and followed wires. I'll keep watching and see if there is any other advice.

Thanks!
Diana



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Karl Hamson

05-19-2007 15:42:28




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Diana JH, 05-19-2007 13:31:01  
I had the starter sticking on my MF diesel. It too would not stop until you pulled the battery cable. Turned out that a small spacer was missing in the bendix and it was engaging too far. That starter had a solenoid type bendix. Is you solenoid mounted on the starter?



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Hugh MacKay

05-19-2007 18:12:48




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Karl Hamson, 05-19-2007 15:42:28  
Karl: You may be onto something, I had a 6.3 Chevy diesel do that and it was spacer in bendix missing. I couldn't get the cables off, didn't have tools right with me. I had always growled at my then teenage son for leaving his baseball bat on the front step. I grabbed the bat, under the truck, got a good swing at the starter-solinoid, upon contact the starter stopped.



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Diana JH

05-19-2007 18:37:10




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 Re: my every four month visit in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-19-2007 18:12:48  
OK< on the starter- how would I know if a spacer was missing or whatever? I don't "do" starters and am not familiar with them. I am pretty sure I have a diagram of those too, so it is on my list to check sunday. I still have the heater switch button to check as well. There is a green wire coming from the regulator, #31, says it goes to the L terminal. There is also a green wire that is attached to nothing in the switch panel. I still have those to follow and see what is up with that. Might have to do with the heater.
Man, I just hate electrical stuff!
I'm surprised Hugh didn't tell ya about the tractor smoking IN the garage right next to his camaro and me doing leaps to get to something to disconnect the bat cable!

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